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After effects of envenomation... Please read this!
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by BwViper on October 20, 2004
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I was bit in mid 2002 by a copperhead and then a couple months later was bitten by a canebrake. Nothing was done for the copperhead bite of course, but I did receive Crofab for the Canebrake bite. Then 8/29/04 I was bit by a mottled rock rattler (C. l. lepidus), in which I received 11 vials of crofab.
Ok, here's the thing. I am past the effects of the last bite, but all isn't normal yet. For some reason, I keep breaking out into welps on my right arm only, which is the arm that was bitten by the lep. They itch real bad and swell up like hard knots. I am having to take benadryl to stop the itching and get the swelling to go down.
Also, I have noticed that I do not heal up as fast when I get cuts or anything like that. Infections seem to set in more also. Me being an electrician, I do get cut or stabbed quite a bit and I know how long it usually takes things to heal up on me. It's taking things AT LEAST twice as long as normal.
Now, can this still be after effects from the venom? Could it be from the antivenin? If someone could give me an idea of what may be going on, that would be great.
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by Rabies on October 20, 2004
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Three bites in two years, you must look like a pin cushen. It sounds like serum sickness, the hives and itchy'ness. Do you have painfull joints at all? This was a typical picture after people received the Wyeth Antivenom, Crofab was to drastically reduce the chances of allergic reactions during administration and the after affects of serum sickness. Have you seen your Dr? as well as the Benadryl maybe you need some anti-imflamatory's (steroids).
John
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by Phobos on October 20, 2004
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Bobby:
You won't like what I have to say but I won't be the last to say what I'm about to tell you.
One: First you need to see your doctor to get proper treatment for what seems to be a delayed allergic reaction. Healing problems...The same answer.
Two: How can you afford all of these bites & A/V? got to run ya about $10,000 a bite at least! I had to say it; I don't need an answer.
Third: I have no clue what your doing to be bitten so many times but it seems to me that maybe you don't have a clue what you're doing either. Sorry to be so blunt but I call them like I see them.
Four: For your sake and the others around you get rid of the venomous reptiles. Another bite may be your last with the way you seem to be reacting to the Antivenom. Either the bite will kill you if they don't treat it and the antivenom might if they do.
Good luck,
Al
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by Phobos on October 20, 2004
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Oh..I just realized about your post regarding most toxic spider...Yeah..you need a funnel web spider..hahahhahaha
Al
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by Snakeman1982 on October 20, 2004
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You seem a little accident prone. Are you sure you want to be an electrician, lol!? Just kidding with you.
There are a lot of effects caused by venoms. One in particular is hyper-sensitivity. After you get bit your body starts to become allergic to the snake species that you get bit by. I would start carrying around an EPI-pen around with you from now on. If you get bit again you could end up going into anaphalaxis and die from that. The venom itself won't kill you but your bodies allergic reaction will.
It sounds like you are developing an allergy of some sort caused by the bite. Maybe your interactions with snakes are causing you to brake out and itch. I don't know a lot about medicine but one good book that may help you is Steve Grenard's "Medical Herpetology" book. Over half of the book is on snake bites and their effects.
Robert
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by captiveherps on October 20, 2004
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I'm with John and Robert, you NEED to get an epi-pen. sounds like you may well have a severe reaction to antivenin if you use it again. Every time you use horse serum you are more likely to react. Sounds like you may be allergic to snake venom now. Its a risk for anyone who keeps hots. There is venom in the air in the room the snakes are kept in and we breath it in. I hope you use shift boxes with your cobras, if you get nailed I think you may be in real trouble. Go and see you doc so he can look into the onging problems.
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by BwViper on October 20, 2004
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Yep, I deserved that bashing.... But I must defend myself a little here. First, YES I do use trap/shift boxes with my cobras and neotropical rattlers. I am working on making more, just haven't had time or money yet.
In 20 years I have been bit 3 times, 3 times to many yes, but is the truth of the matter. I am not a careless or wreckless person at all. I just flat out screwed up. In all three cases I was in a hurry and slipped up. I will say there are no plans of any future bites. Sometimes you have to learn your lessons the hard way. Mine in this case is to slow down, things can wait.That's my biggest problem is I am always in a hurry, but I USUALLY don't mess with any of my animals when I am, but the few times I did, I paid for it.
Ok, now as far as the original post. I thought about the venom in the air thing, but I break out even at work. I'll just start itching real bad and welp up, just on the arm that was bitten.
Yes, I am aware that another bite could really be bad or even fatal. (But you can rest assured, I will be on top of my game from here on out.) But should this eventually go away or could it possibly be permenant?
As asked, none of my joints are giving me any problems as of right now. They did for about 3 weeks after the bite, but eventually stopped.
Let me know if you have any further information. Thanks to all who have replied, even though I got bashed in some of them...lol.
Bobby
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by BwViper on October 20, 2004
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Also, Snakeman1982, any idea where I can get that book? Also, do you know about what it costs? Thanks,
Bobby
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by Phobos on October 20, 2004
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Bobby:
I see you have a good character to take some hits like that and lay your cards on the table. You just need to slow down when you work your snakes.
I don't like to dispense medical advice but you really need to see your doc to get this Hive/Rash problem controlled. I do agree with the others that an 'Epi-pen" and some OTC Beneydrl should be kept handy. Get the "childrens" fast disolving chewables, so it gets into your system fast if needed. You will most likely have this forever, so use a mask and gloves when around the snakes. Don't get any spitters, that's just asking for trouble because of all the venom they spread around.
The only medical treatment is desensitzation; like they would do for a bee allergy, the issue is the doctors can't inject you with venom(s)that are not FDA approved. The doc is likely to give you a worse thrashing than I did and tell you to get rid of the snakes,problem solved. No treatment required.
Please don't take any chances and don't rush! See your doctor.
Take care,
Al
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by BwViper on October 20, 2004
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Yeah, I know I screwed up. But one thing is for sure.. I don't wanna go through that crap again. I don't know what's worse, the snake bite or the doctors.
Oh, and you can bet on one thing, I will not be in any rush from now on when dealing with my animals.
I do have another question though. Me being a spark chaser, I am outside a lot as well as in newly constructed buildings. Here, there are a LOT of wasps out right now. I have never been allergic to bees or anything, but could all of this cause me to have an allergic reaction if I were to be stung?
And yes, I do have a red spitter. I never mess with him unless it is feeding time other wise he spits like crazy. I have a sound method of not being spit on. He has a super strong feeding response and won't spit if he thinks it's feeding time. So I will drop a fuzzy in there with him and let him start eating it, then I take him out of the enclosure (with a hook might I add) and put him into a holding tank (fuzzy & all). Then I clean his cage. Then after I am finished cleaning, I will drop another fuzzy in there with him and wait til he starts eating it and then hook him back into his cage. I also wear long sleeves and a clear face shield, just in case. Any way, that's another story I guess.... lol
Let me know what ya'll think about the bee situation. Thanks everyone.
Bobby
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