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Anonymous post on October 20, 2004
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"I am not a careless or wreckless person at all."
Didnt you have pics of you and your woman free handling a small cobra?? Small makes little difference!Be careful!
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by BwViper on October 20, 2004
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Hmmm, after I just posted how I felt about people who post as anonymous. I need not answer the question of a person who is scared to speak up without hiding behind the great "anonymous posting". I don't hide anything I say, nor will I. You reply to my post as who you are, or this is what you get: NOTHING!!!! Hmmm, maybe I should be a coward and post this as anonymous... NAHH!!
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by Phobos on October 21, 2004
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Bobby:
Interesting question about cross sensitivity you speak of. I know more about snake venom composition than bee venom, so this is all a guess but I don't think they would trigger a reaction other than "normal" local reactions. Again, a good reason to keep and Epi-pen handy. Anaphalaxis kills quickly, wasted seconds could be the difference between life & death.
Check out Dy Bryan Fry's website regarding this topic.
http://www.kingsnake.com/toxinology/
Al
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by KINGRIUS on October 21, 2004
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Since I have been stung about seven times this past summer(and the year's not over yet!) by mostly yellow jackets I have recently been wondering if I could develop an allergic reaction to their sting. And since I'm a surveyor and always outdoors that's all I need is to be allergic to bee stings. I've been asking around about the possibility of becoming severely allergic to stings by repeated exposure, much the way I developed an allergic reaction to poison ivy, but no one seems to know much about the subject. And I know even less about the correlation between insect venom and snake venom.(sorry Bobby, I didn't even come close to giving you an answer to your wasp venom question, just added another piece to the puzzle)
Darius
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by Phobos on October 21, 2004
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Guy's:
The reaction most people get to poison ivy is not quite the same I believe. My field pack always has an "Ana-kit" inside. Which consists of: An epi-pen & fast dissolving Beneydrl. Like I said, Anaphylaxis kills quickly. This will buy you time until the paramedics arrive.
See this article by Chris Harper & Dr. Bryan Fry
http://www.venomousreptiles.org/articles/97
Al
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by JRHarrison on October 21, 2004
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It is probably not a delayed reaction to the venom or the antivenom. You need to have a complete blood work done . Crofab clears out of the system very quickly so long delayed reactions would be very unusual. You may have become sensitised to snake proteins, and if so then contact with shed skins, feces and dried venom touching your skin could cause the reaction you speak of. Epi Pen is a must I have 10.
Something else entirely may be causing your healing problems, ie diabetes or other circulatory/immune disease.
Best to go see a medical professional.
Call me if you need more info. 606-663-9160
Jim Harrison
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by BwViper on October 21, 2004
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Well, the weird part is, none of this stuff started until after the bite. IF I have become hypersensitive to the venom, then why does it only happen on the arm I was bit on? At worse, it may go up to my neck on the same side I was bit on.
Also, where can I get an epi pen? We really don't have any pharmacy's here, just little ones that don't have a lot. I sort of know what an epi pen helps, but what is it exactly? Yes I do keep a stock of benadryl at all times, but have never had an epi pen.
Thanks for all the replies everyone. I am always ears wide open for good information and even constructive criticism. Thanks,
Bobby
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by Snakeman1982 on October 21, 2004
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An EPI-pen is a large needle type device that you stab into a persons meaty flesh, usually the thigh, whenever they have a severe allergic reaction. It is fast and affective at keeping your throat from closing and dying from lack of air. What it injects in you is epinephrine (ardrenline). If you ever watched that crappy movie with those pansy aliens who die from contact with water ("Signs"). At the end, Mel Gibson stabs is son with an EPI-pen to stop the childs allergic reaction which allows the kid to breathe. I just want to know what alien army travels thousands of light years to take over a planet and then forgets to bring any type of weapons and get beat up by an unarmed preachers family. And if your main weakness is water, then why would you attempt to take over a planet that is 70% water, duh!!!
Anyway, the book "Medical Herpetology" by Steve Grenard is pretty hard to come by. It sells for a lot of money right now. I have never seen it less than $125 and it isn't worth that much. I was reading my copy last night and there is a good section on snake allergies. Here you go:
"Allergens in Snake Venom
Venoms are complex mixtures of substances, many of which can be classified as proteins. As such they should provoke hypersensitivity reactions in their victims. But amazingly, the occurrence of allergic reactions to snakebite envenomation is rare, even in potentially pre-sensitized individuals who have been envenomated by the same snake species on previous occasions. This subject was dealt with in more detail in the previous chapter as a possible reason for the reactions suffered by people bitten by mildly venomous or non-venomous colubrids. The incidence of anaphylactic reactions to the bites of bees, wasps, and other insects is much more frequent compared to that of snakebite. Immediate hypersensitivity reactions and delayed reactions (serum sickness) are much more likely to occur as a result of antivenom administration than as a result of the snake bite itself."
Grenard, Steve. 1994. Medical Herpetology. pgs. 85-86.
Remember this was written before CroFab was around which doesn't use the typical horse serum that so many people are allergic to and greatly reduces serum sickness. I actually know several herpetologists who are now very allergic to their study animals from previous bites and long term exposure to their lab conditions. So I think his comment above is less valid now that we have new data. But I would take a guess that your reactions aren't caused directly from the snake's venom but more from the treatment. If you aren't exposing your self to the snakes you were bit by then I wouldn't see it as an allergy but as an effect of antivenom. But I could easily be wrong.
Robert
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by BGF on October 21, 2004
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After you recieved antivenom, did the doctor give you a 7-10 course of prednisolone to counteract serum sickness? It was essential he did but the US doctors seem generally hopeless about snakebite so I wouldn't be suprised if he didn't. I guess you should be glad that your arm didn't end up looking like a sausage cooked until it split.
As to why you are having the effects, it could be that your poor arm has just been through so much that things are just completely out of whack. The immune system is a quirky thing.
I would recommend you get a script for prednisolone. That should help settle things down.
Cheers
Bryan
www.venomdoc.com
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by BwViper on October 21, 2004
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When I was released, I was given antibiotics and very weak pain killers. That was it.
I will be getting an epi pen as soon as I find one.
Sounds like I will be waiting to get that book especially at 125.00 for out dated info.
I saved a Texas trantula today for a bunch of mexicans poking at it with sticks. I went over and asked them what they were doing. They replied, "trying to kill this spider, it could kill us". I was sort of in shock, knowing that they really believed it could kill them. I picked it up and told them it was harmless to us and to leave it alone. They all freaked out that I just picked up this pissed off spider.. He didn't try to bite or anything, just tried to get away.
But anyway, I am rambling now. If anyone finds out about the effects of bee stings on people who have being bit by snakes, please let me know, as I am around bees everyday.
Also, I read, that you can become hypersensitive to the venom if bit more than once, BY THE SAME SPECIES. But I have been bit by three different species. Could I still be hypersensitive to one or all of them? Just wondering.
Bobby
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