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Another back door way to kill our keeping rights?
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by ALA_herp31 on October 27, 2004
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Hey ya'll, has anyone realy paid much atintion to the new servy question? I myself think its just another posable way for the State & Fedural Goverment to take our keeping rights away. If you think about the amount of money you would have to pay for privet Antivenin, it would be like they are trying price us out of our rights. I its just like gun ownership, they have found that if they rais the taxes it will keep the average person from being able to aford a gun. Just my thoughts, i hate seeing our rights go down the drain with evry other right.......just my opinion....AWWWWWW and can anyone give me the average shelf life of antivenin?.......Happy herping Wally
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by Phobos on October 27, 2004
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Hi Wally:
It is typically 3 yrs. but varies from supplier to supplier. However if kept at 4 degrees C (refrigerator)it still may be viable for 5 years.
Matt Harris and I are working on setting up a North Eastern Anitvenom Bank modled after to one SHHS started in the South East. Anyone one interested contact us.
Cheers!
Al
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by Phobos on October 27, 2004
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Oh...By the way... It is the handlers duty to keep his or her own antivenom supply anyway. Part of the reason the government is looking at this is the Zoo's are squacking (rightfully so) about giving up their stocks of antivenom to pull somebodies "fat out of the fire" because they did not have their own supply.
Al
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by Buzztail1 on October 27, 2004
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Whoa! Hang on there Al.
The SHHS didn't start the Antivenom Bank down in Dade County. We just publicized it and tried to get keepers to invest their money in it.
That didn't work out too well and they quit taking memberships.
I, personally, support the idea of a privately funded antivenom bank for the availability of exotic antivenoms. However, since I can't keep anything exotic, the possibility of me ever needing to use it are very minimal.
Just wanted to clear that up. We don't want to be taking credit that we didn't earn.
Karl
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by ALA_herp31 on October 28, 2004
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Al, I can see whare the zoos would be having trouble, but like me, i live in a state that dose not alow privet keeping of exotic venomous reptiles or venomous from outside the state of AL. so with that i would say that antivenin for the native species here would be easyer to come across. I know that the antivenin can get very high even for some of AL native species. What i worry about is if such laws are inacted it could very well leed to more restrictions on keepers. It seems they wont stop untill they take the rights of all keepers away, not just venomous but non-venomous to. It realy is a scary thought that our rights could be priced away from us. Now if they could find a way to lower the prices on antivenin, i wouldnt think it to be such a bad thing. I would realy hate to see us safe keepers (even thoe at this time i have no reptiles) loose our abilaty to keep. It realy makes one worry. Well thanks for the help guys, have a good one and be safe...........Happy herping Wally
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by Phobos on October 28, 2004
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Hi All:
Ooops....I stand corrected Karl. Yes, it would be nice that antivenoms were cheap but CroFab costs between $1,650 to $2,950 per vial. The higher second price is a hospial marking up the price so they could make some $$. Consider 10 vials of CroFab could then cost between $16,500 and $29,500 just for a minimal envenomation. Yikes! Whereas Costa Rican Crotalid A/V costs $25.00 per vial and works very well on the species we have in the US. African SAVP Poly costs $45.00 per vial, so in my estimation it's less costly for me to keep exotics.
Cheers!
Al
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by thenewdisciple on October 28, 2004
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why is crofab so expensive? is it just a matter of how expensive american medical treatment is? interesting story here ... my dads gum tissue was decayed severly from years of smoking, and he lost his teeth. he refused to get dentures so he was going to get titanium implants, the cost of this procedure was over 50,000 dollars here in the u.s. he got it done in costa rica for about 12,000. his total expenses for 2 trips back and forth and a stay in a hotel and his treatment came to a total of less then 15,000 dollars. quite a difference in the price.
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by Phobos on October 28, 2004
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Well....Yes, don't you know Americans have deep pockets! It does cost lots of $$ to develop new drugs but we pay an uneven share of the cost. Another factor in the equation is how easy it is to sue a drug company or doctor. It just cheaper for them to pay them off and make them go away.
It's just a big mess...
Al
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by AquaHerp on October 29, 2004
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Zoos have really nothing at all to do with the push for private anti-venene stocking. One needs to keep in mind that 99.99% of reptile keepers from zoos have private collections at home too. If zoos were to push towards anything, it would be a reimbursement program for those that receive serum from a zoo's stock.
CroFab is expensive because the lab/manufacturer still holds the patent on this drug. Henceforth, they can charge anything they so desire. Same as Eli-Lilly did with Prozac until its patent ran out and the drug plummeted around 80% in cost. It's a matter of who owns the market, and as long as you own the item, you can charge accordingly. It's the American way. As we saw CroFab coming onto the scene we knew it would be both a great thing, as well as an expensive ordeal. That's why I gave up getting envenomated....LOL
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by captiveherps on October 29, 2004
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Here in the peoples republic of Canada, we need health Canada's permission to bring in antivenin made in forgin countries. I have contacted them 3 times to find out about getting the south African polyvalent, but they will not reply to me. My doc will write a script and the drug co will send it but they need to sign off on it first. I figure if I was to get bit they have established a severe liablity for themselves.
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