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Agkistrodon X Agkistrodon ?
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by ALA_herp31 on January 16, 2005
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Hey ya’ll, not long ago someone posted a question about North American Agkistrodons mixing, now I know that with some Herpers in our community this could not happen in the wild. Just for conversation sake, lets say that in North FL, a place we know has at least two of the known Species of Agkistrodons living side by side, these two would be (A. contortrix contortrix) and (A. piscivorus conanti). Who is to say that these two Species could not breed? We in the Herping community know that stranger things have shown their ugly faces in the wild. I know this sounds strange, but I see no reason why these 2 Species could not breed. If there is one thing Science has tout us, its that anything can happen, and will. If anyone else has any opinions on this subject please by all means, let it be known. To me this is one very interesting suject..............Be safe ya’ll, happy herping, Wally
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by Dadee on January 16, 2005
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Wally,
You are exactly right in your quest for this anomoly. I am currently trying to get those 2 to breed, however, I had wondered the exact same question a number of times. I've wondered the same question about other species as well. Perhaps those field scientists in our midst could enlighten us about this issue?
Wondering,
Matt
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by ALA_herp31 on January 16, 2005
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Hey Matt, thanks for responding. It dose make the mind wonder if these 2 very closely related Species could pull this off. Think of the Bothrops Species, in Central & South America, who is to say that some of these could not interbreed, we know that some of their ranges cross? Science has proven that things can and will happen that can not be explained. I think that sooner or later we will find a wild hybrid of the Copperhead and Cottonmouth. I was talking to a friend of mine about 3 years ago, he said that a man somewhere in North FL, had found a wild hybrid of these 2 Species. Has anyone else heard of this happening, or anything like this? I know that the possibility of Species that are not in the same Genera interbreeding is more of an impossibility, but who could dismiss the possibility of 2 Species in the same Genera and living in the same range being able to interbreed?.........Be safe ya’ll, happy herping, Wally
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by AquaHerp on January 16, 2005
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The cottonmouth subspecies do show some degree of intergration where the ranges overlap.
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by tj on January 19, 2005
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There has been quite a few different intergrades found, diamondbacks and timbers, cottonmouths and copperheads, rhinos and gaboons, copperhead intergrades, and I think I remember some type of sistrurus and crotalus some time back. Or maybe it was a sistrurus/agkistrodon, I can't remember exactly, but there was a picture posted on another site a few years back.
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by ALA_herp31 on January 19, 2005
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I have not heard about a intergrade between any of the Crotalus Species, I would like to read about that one. Seeing a Timber X EDB would have to be a strange looking Snake. Now, it would be hard to imagine Pygmy X Copperhead, considering they are not in the same Genera, but I would never dismiss it. Like I said before, if there is one thing Science has tout us, its that anything can and will happen. Its good to live in such a ever changing world, only makes thing more interesting huuu? ..........Be safe, happy herping, Wally
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by ALA_herp31 on January 19, 2005
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Sorry ya’ll, I meant to say “wild intergrades”. I know that some breeders have intergraded some of the Crotalus Species. Thanks for replaying ya’ll, this is a truly fascinating subject for me..............Be safe Wally
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by jared on January 20, 2005
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I personally have seen intergrades of EDBX Canebrake, WDBXRuber,moojaveXWDB, MojaveXprarie, MojaveXruber All Copperheads can intergrade and most do in the wild if there populations are close, In Nc for examply a large stretch of that state has wild northern and southern intergrades, as well as coastal FL having eastern and fl cotton intergrades. certain species it seems intergrade more readily than others, and agkistrodon seems to be one of them.
Jared Watts
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