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by Phobos on March 1, 2005
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Chuck,
As I said in the past, this forum is here to field anyone's views on a given topic. It's just information, it's up to the person reading to choose who's view they accept. How are those pictures not key to the venomoid discussion? They are a result of whatever butcher CRE uses, not some overseas dealer pulling the fangs out of a snake. I did not site them for your benefit but for others who didn't know about them,
What you did..in the name of "giving him the information he requested" was just like telling someone I don't use drugs but here's where you can find them and how much they cost. Somethings are just wrong, this is one of them. Personally, I don't need or care if you respect what I have to say or not.
Live & Let Live is just too PC for me.
Diamond Butt Al
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by sceniccityreptiles on March 2, 2005
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You should care what I think cause it cuts to the heart of your credibility. Look back at what you are doing? Couple weeks ago, you stole pictures from other members profiles and offer to send them out to anyone who asks. Al, that is illegal and immoral. You started a public argument with a 15-year-old child. You make the statement that we shouldn’t train people, even though they are already keeping and working with venomous snakes. And in many posts you interject with, you shouldn’t do this…..blah blah blah. Jeremy’s rock climbing post is a prime example. People are not asking you if they should do something, they just want information. If you don’t have the info they need, your opinion is not wanted. This venomoid thread for example. If you can’t answer his question, then just stay silent. If you can answer and wish to add something, that is fine. You gave this guy and the others reading bad and inaccurate information. What you told him on the cost was way off and you deliberately tried to mislead everyone by posting Tanith’s pictures of the defanged mamba. He asked about vet operated venomoid surgery and that is what we were discussing, throwing up those pics as evidence why it shouldn’t be done was foolish, as they have nothing to do with the subject at hand. You might as well put up pictures of a snake ran over by cars. “Hey, look at this mutilated snake. Here is why you shouldn’t buy venomoids.” Why didn’t you use that mutilated cobra as your evidence? I don’t know for sure if it came from Bruce (Carolina Reptile Exchange) because I have not asked him, but it was a botched venomoid job from somebody. That was germane to the subject. If you would have said, “Look man, here is the info on venomoids, but look at this cobra before you make the decision to get one.” That would have been helpful and quite possibly dissuaded this guy from wanting a void. But again, the way you botched the subject accomplished nothing and made yourself look like a quack. I don’t want some kind of pissing contest with you, but you really need to reflect on what you are saying and doing. Its only going to help you.
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by Phobos on March 2, 2005
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Chuck;
I won't reply to the whole diatribe but you need to get some facts straight.
1) If you post it on a public forum it's public property. If you take the time to "copyright" the material, it only covers "Commercial use" which is not how I used it. Matter of fact I referred people to "Look for themselves"
2) The images were sent to me by another visitor to this website. I did not even know they exsisted till then. Just hope DNR or other law enforcement agencies did not "steal them" too. They would make great evidence in a child endangerment case. Somebody had to speak up, I did and would do it all again. I don't care if it's not popular to expose stupidity when it's found. Somebody needs to teach 15 yr olds (thought they were 17)there is a right and a wrong way to everything in life. It's obviously not you.
Finally don't accuse me of "stealing or immorality" in a public forum, THAT is slander and has no place on this here.
Saying anything more about your post, wastes my time and serves no purpose, so I'll refrain from rebutting all the other crap.
Diamond Butt Al
If your not part of the solution your part of the problem.
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by sceniccityreptiles on March 2, 2005
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“Saying anything more about your post, wastes my time and serves no purpose, so I'll refrain from rebutting all the other crap.--Al”
That is your way out every time. You come in the forum and throw your verbal bombs, then make some generic excuse like this to back out when I confront you. If you can not debate your issues and back them with facts, then your opinions are worthless. Couple of weeks ago you announced to everyone I was responsible for Jeremy and Phillips working that king cobra. Since it wasn’t my snake, wasn’t my store, and they were not under my authority, I demanded you explain how I was responsible. When confronted with facts, you made a generic post just like the one above and refused to answer. I am sure that I am not the only one that is tired of that. If want to make these outlandish posts, you need to be prepared to defend your position. Thus far all I have seen from you is a bunch of supposition and no facts what so ever. It was your opinion I was responsible, the facts shows I wasn’t, so you cowarded away in the middle of a debate. I don’t make claims that are not based in fact.
I say you provoked and argument with a 15-year-old and you say you didn’t. FACT: this is your post and Timberrattlesnake89 is 15-years-old. What do you think that 89 was for?
“Furthermore, Stupidity is very pervasive in this hobby. Look at Bush_viper17's & timberrattlesnake89's profiles.---Al”
I say you stole pictures that do not belong to you and you have no rights to, and you say you didn’t. FACT, these are your words. Seems the pics were taken form their profiles and not from a public forum. Either way, you took them without consent of the owner of the picture, in this case Phillip and Jeremy and without consent of the owners of the website. That is theft.
“If the pictures get taken down I'll send them to anyone who requests it---Al”
I am basically tired of you spouting out that I am “part of the problem.” Again, I demand to know what you mean by that. The “problem” is people like you that can’t seem to mind their own business. You want to police this hobby and have everyone do what you want. People higher then you want to police the populations and have everyone do what they want. They are the ones passing the laws and killing venomous herpiculture…people with the same attitude you have. If they would stick to what concerns them, we wouldn’t have to worry about lose of rights.
Look I firmly believe we need to all get along, you gotta stop with the non-factual quotes (such as me being responsible for what Jeremy does) and the misleading posts (such as Tanith’s mamba page.) If you want to preach….go to it brother. I want say a word long as you do not give bad information.
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by spyderboi on March 2, 2005
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hi i really appreciate the people that try to stick to the subject but it doesn't bother me that much that 6 people should comment on one guys mistake thanks for the people that remain to the topic and anyone else whos oppinions are not based on the first question posted for this please just dont post and save yourself the humiliation also lets try to be a bit nicer to each other
no one post anything like i agree anymore just this topic
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