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Thai Snake Photo posted by Spidersnake for ID
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by Cro on May 10, 2005
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Jimmy: Several days ago you posted a great photo of a snake for ID found in Phichit Province - central north Thailand. I have not been able to decide what the snake is, but sure would like to know. I have found a web site that might be of help to you in identifying it, although the photos there are a bit rough.
Try http://www.siam-info.de/english/snakes_non-poisonous.html
You might also want to send the photo to these folks and see if they can help:
Manfred W. A. Jung, 54/171, Soi Pasuk 8, Moo Baan Pasuk
10170 Bangko Talingchan, THAILAND
sanfredjung@yahoo.de
Joachim Bulian
22/2 Moo4, Tumbon Thungtao
Amphur Bannasan
84120 Suratthani
jo_bulian@yahoo.de
If you find out what it is, let us know. Best Regards JohnZ
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by Cro on May 10, 2005
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Jimmy: On the site I listed above, take a look at Genus Oligodon (Kukri Snakes). It could be one of them. JohnZ
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by CAISSACA on May 11, 2005
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Assuming the snake was tiny, it looks most like a juvenile Oligodon taeniatus.
Cheers,
Wolfgang
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Anonymous post on May 15, 2005
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i disagree there i think its a cambodian kukri oligodon mouhoti .
im posting anonymous because i must be studid to argue with you but it looks more like that type of snake. with the head markings
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by Cro on May 15, 2005
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Dear Anonymous: First of all, never be afraid to express your ideas here! The worst that could happen is you would be wrong on your ID of the snake, and you would learn something new. The best that could happen is you would be right, and a couple of old geezers would learn something new! The photo that was posted by Jimmy was a very difficult to identify snake. Possibly a unknown to science snake! We all seem to agree that the snake is a Oligodon of some sort. (Kukri Snake ). Out of thousands who have seen the photo, there are only three of us, ( Wolfgang, JohnZ, and Anonymous ) who have figgured out the Genus of the snake. You will get a whole lot more respect if you first say who you are, and why you think the snake is Oligodon mouhotiay, and not a Oligodon taeniatus. Point out why you think this way. Point out the details of the snake you observed! It really does not matter if it is right or wrong, what matters is you stated your idea, and why you think it! I have never hunted snakes in Siam, and can only go by books that I have access to. By the books, I am fairly happy with my calling the snake Oligodon. Wolfgang has more experience in that part of the world, and his idea that the snake is taeniatus is probably based on experience with snakes in that part of the world, and could very well be right! But, you think it is mouhotiay, and that is great, as long as you state why you think that way, and as long as you are not anonymous! If you are anonymous, folks are gonna ingore you, weather you are right or wrong. Stand up anonymous, and tell us who you are, and why you think the snake is mouhotiay, and not taeniatus. You will earn my respect just because you are not hiding behind the anonymous thing. And maybee, between us all, we might even figgure out what the kool looking snake in the photo is! Best Regards JohnZ
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by paleoherp on May 16, 2005
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hi im sorry i did post anonymous its the first time i ve done it , i posted anonymous because im an 17 year old boy who might not be taken as serious as some of you , i was looking at a picture of the cambodian kukri not long ago and the head markings are very distinctive there only 40cm in length , i don t think it is a stripped kukri but i may be wrong
thanks and sorry about the anonymous post .
SHAUN
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Anonymous post on May 16, 2005
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That is definatley a banded water snake.
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by Cro on May 16, 2005
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Shaun: Man, that sounds way better than anonymous! And it keeps you from being confused with those who are posting that the snake is a banded watersnake! I have found about 30 photos so far of adult Oligodon taeniatus, and no photos of juveniles. The adults do show evidence of the double row of spots, which seem to fade as the snake ages, and developes the heavy striping. And the face markings are similar, but are common to many kukri snakes. I have searched the web, and all my books, to try to find a photo of Oligodon mouhoti from Cambodia that you mention, and so far have not found any photos. Can you remember where you saw the photo of mouhoti, or do you have a internet link to it? I sure wish I owned a copy of Snakes of Thailand about now. I also found a photo of Oligodon affinis in the new Snakes of India book, and it looks like a strong possibility, but they say it is only found Ghats India, and not in Thailand or Cambodia. At least, so far! Perhaps it is found in Thailand also, and just not recorded from there yet. Anyway, Shaun, thanks again for posting your ideas about the snake. I believe that you will find that most people here take the posting of 15, 16, 17, and 18 year olds just as seriously as the postings from older folks. Best Regards JohnZ
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by paleoherp on May 16, 2005
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John
check out page 60 of the book a photographic guide to snakes and other reptiles and other reptiles of malaysia , singapore and thailand . The snake looks exactly alike .
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by Cro on May 17, 2005
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Shaun: Thanks for the info on "The photographic guide to snakes and other reptiles of Malaysia , Singapore and Thailand". I will try to find someone with a copy. Best Regards JohnZ
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