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by nnw1 on July 3, 2005	Mail this to a friend!
if feeding frozen rats and a cotton mouth bites it and won't eat it can u feed it to a rattler or what will happen i have a western that eats like a horse but i won't give it to him cause the cotton mouth bit it and i threw it in the garbage

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by Phobos on July 3, 2005	Mail this to a friend!
The only problem is passing paracites the Cottonmouh may have to the WDB. Something is really wrong if a cottonmouth is not acting like a garbage disposal. Al

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by fizzbob7 on July 3, 2005	Mail this to a friend!
what did you do exactly? did you use tweezers and tease it with the f/t rat? did you throw it in there and leave? i had a snake with an internal parasite that would cause it to bite the animal, then never eat it.....find a vet that will help you out by at least testing the snakes droppings...... i was able to get mine back to full strength with a few weeks of medicine

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by nnw1 on July 6, 2005	Mail this to a friend!
thank for your replies i just didn't want to throw money away if one or the other didn't take the rats but i did until i ask some people that i thought where smarter in this area but i also see so other ignorance

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by Coralsnayk on July 6, 2005	Mail this to a friend!
I have often allowed other animals envenomate prey for each other. Certain of my snakes take only pre-killed or frozen/thawed. Sometimes because of budget constraints, only live prey are available, and some of the snakes who are used to prekilled will NOT strike a live animal. Neither I nor my snakes have suffered any ill effects from having done so. Of course, they may have been keeping their illnesses a secret all these many years, and just keep gettting bigger. I have had many reputable herpers advise me to do this, and I stand by this method and by my record. That said, I do quarantine new animals and observe them. Any newbies that have a problem with this should test before criticizing. G

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by Cro on July 6, 2005	Mail this to a friend!
I notice that Doug (AquaHerp)`s post on this thread has been removed. I think he made a very valid point concerning the topic of discussion, although he did use a term like kucklehead, or dumbass, or something else, but it was pretty mild. Perhaps that is what got the post pulled, possibly because it came close to all the crazy stuff going on in the puff adder thread near by. If the post was pulled by Karl, or Chris, or Al for that reason, well that is your call, and I will go with it. However, if the post was pulled by Greg, who it was aimed against, then I have a little problem with editors deleating posts aimed against them, especially if the posts are very mild compared to other posts that have been allowed, and especially if the posts pertain to the subject of the discussion thread. I have noticed that Karl, Chris, and Al do not usually delete posts that criticise them. I do not know how many others here can delete posts. And maybee Doug even requested that it be pulled. Just an observation. Best Regards JohnZ

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by AquaHerp on July 6, 2005	Mail this to a friend!
No, I did not request that my post be pulled. Although, thinking about it at times, requesting just that isn't half off the mark. If a snake is used to eating prekilled, then why not prekill the animal yourself? That's what I am saying. Why on earth would you let another snake, ESPECIALLY one of another species or even genus envenomate it and then feed it to your animal. And why would a person recommend such a thing over a forum and even remotely think it was a good husbandry call? But if that's what this forum is now coming to, harassment of good people, bad advice, and a cesspool of anonymous postings of threads that don't amount to dried spit, then that's too bad. This really was once a nice forum. And if it is I that is being referred to as a "newbie" then that's rich, really made my afternnon.

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by nnw1 on July 6, 2005	Mail this to a friend!
every time i but frozen rats in with the cotton mouths they hit it but it didn't eat and all i was asking if i should pitch he rat or if it would hurt to give it to the rattlers insteady of wasting it and i would like to know y u are so pissed at a honest question i didn't want any to harm the snake and don't like to waste money but i am sorry if this upset u and maybe i shouldn't ask any question at least or just ask question to the people on here that isn't aholes

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by Cro on July 6, 2005	Mail this to a friend!
Norman: As Doug stated, feeding a mouse not eaten by one snake to another snake is not a good reptile husbandry practice. You can transfer parasites and disease from the not-eating snake (which might be sick) to a healthy one. It is better to loose $0.50 or $1.00 that you paid for the mouse than to feed it to another snake that is healthy, and possible damage your other snake. Or you could re-freeze the refused mouse, and label it, and thaw and offer it again at a later time to the same snake that refused it earlier. There was nothing wrong with your question at all, it is a very legitimite question, and I can understand not wating to waste money. I hope you will continue to post here and ask questions, you just hit the forum at a particularry bad time because of a different post that has several site members angry and fudeing with one another. Hope this helps. JohnZ

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by Cro on July 6, 2005	Mail this to a friend!
What I above stated also applys to Rats, Rabbits, Chickens, and other food items, which cost a bit more, but are still worth throwing away if not eaten, to protect your other animals. Zoos do have a larger supply of feeder animals available, so the costs does not hurt them as much, but for good husbandry, this is just one of the costs that reptile keepers sometimes have to pay. JohnZ

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