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Tree viper cannibalism
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by evango17 on August 25, 2005
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I recently acquired a neonate T. albolabris and I was thinking of completing it with a pair. The breeder keeps his neonates and adults separate, but I was just curious to know if these vipers can be communal or not...as juveniles and/or adults. Thanks in advance.
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by CFoley on August 25, 2005
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Definitely do not quote me on this....However T. albolabris were the first hots that I ever kept. I had a trio. I kept them together for 4 months until I traded them for another species of venomous snake.
So...to my experience, they can be communal, but maybe I got lucky???
Also, I personally do not recommend housing any two snakes, esp venomous together anymore. One reason being feeding. You do not want to feed them together for your safety and theirs. You could seperate them to feed, but that would be additional handling that would not be necessary if they were seperate in the first place. Also, if theres ANY type of underlying disease, which in some cases can be harbored for months unknown, I would personally want it to be isolated to only that animal. You don't want any slight chance of something spreading to multiple animals.
Again, this is just my opinion, I know many successful herp keepers that house animals communally. Also, I aplogize for rambling, as I answered more than was asked.
Anyway, let us know how it works out and what you decide to do.
Chris
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by evango17 on August 25, 2005
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I think you convinced me on the feeding part. As this is my first viper, I definitely don't plan on handling these anymore than I have to...so I'll stick to one snake per tank. I wont disregard any safety precautions, especially when it comes to hots. Thanks for your help!
I'd appreciate other responses as well...past experiences or other precautions from other experienced keepers.
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by tj on August 26, 2005
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I had a pair of eyelashes that were fine together and I've heard that trims can be kept in the same enclosure, but as mentioned earlier, feeding can be difficult. Wagler's vipers can be very territorial, but if given a wide enough berth (also one not too large to stress the snake out), I think most tree vipers would be fine. Some you will even find spending alot of their time close to one another, eyelashes especially. I would stay way from housing certain trims together, purpureomaculatus especially, just because they are a pretty hellacious snake, where just one can be a handful. If you feel uncomfortable, go with your gut feeling and house them seperately, it takes the worry away and is safer.
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by keyz on August 26, 2005
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definitely a great idea i lost two lovely morph corns to a Dumerils i didnt believe it at first then i asked here and found that this type of behaviour is unusual but happens but so far i have only heard of boids doing this so far Phobos/al cortiz posted to me regarding this issue probably well back by about 5 pages regards kieron.
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by TCH_Zoological on August 26, 2005
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It does occur. Here are a couple of papers describing the cases.
Bridegam, A.S., B.E. Smith, C.M. Garrett, and D.T. Roberts. 1990. Cannibalism in two spiecies of arboreal pitviper, Trimeresus wagleri and Bothriechis schlegelii. Herptol. Rev. 21(3):54-55.
Pareti, Kirk S. 1994. Cannibalism in a captive west African bush viper (Antheris chloroechis). Herpetol. Rev. 25 (1):17.
Hope this helps.
T.C.
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by CFoley on August 26, 2005
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I apologize for leading this post off track, it can be moved or deleted if necessary...
Keyz, why were you housing, not only multiple snakes, multiple species, but multiple families together?
Also...cannabalism is common of juvie, and less often older dumerils boas, in their natural habitat, and probably as much so in captivity.
I also apologize if this looks like an attack, I'm just curious as to what happened there.
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by keyz on August 27, 2005
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They were housed together from assurances from my local reptile specialist well he was bloody wrong this does sound like an attack to me but lessons have been learned. anyway I alone paid the price for ignorance and lost two amazing snakes to a snake listed as non-cannabalistic so dont attack me try porton garden center www.portonpetandaquatics.co.uk. I think. as i have said not listed as cannibalistic and re-assurance from another so-called expert lead to this NOT ME. so please understand that your criticism has been noted but a simple question would suffice, if i had done this on purpose to see what happened so I choose myself to ignore your rather rude message if you want to know any more then please ask in a non pedantic way keyz.
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by elapidking81 on August 28, 2005
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As a rule of thumb NEVER trust a pet shop owner or worker. They very well may know what there talking about but most dont. 1 example is I had one try to tell me that all turtles turn into snapping turtles when the get full grown. :-)
shane
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