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Envenomation by Shed Fang
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by Phobos on March 21, 2006
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Hi Everyone:
I just read this thread on Dr. Fry's forum this morning. Anyone who keep venomous needs to read this. It's an important lesson learned the hard way.
Best,
Al
http://www.venomdoc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12899#12899
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by petra on March 21, 2006
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Thanks Al! Honestly I had no idea something like that could happen. Gee I keep rhinos...that could have easily happen to me too, just without the happy ending...
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by 23bms on March 21, 2006
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I have heard of (mild) envenomation occurring from the dust raised by scraping dried venom with a razor without adequate cross ventilation. Though my memory is not what it used to be, I seem to recall that the only envenomation Raymond Ditmars ever suffered occurred that way.
I have a few ill tempered individuals, C atrox and C o helleri in particular, who regularly strike at anything passing the cage and smear sometimes copious amounts of venom over the (acrylic) front panels. I use a sponge or cloth, dampened with distilled water, to clean the resultant mess off. At least it doesn’t raise a toxic dust cloud. Why take a chance? At worst, the precaution can't hurt.
For what it’s worth (probably very little), I have more clean up problems with crabbed out Crotalus than with Naja spitters.
jrb
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by Chris_Harper on March 22, 2006
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Please humor me for just a moment: If a vial of X antivenom neutralizes X milligrams of venom, how many milligrams of venom can a shed fang contain? Everyone here seems to be sold on the idea of "dry bites", so how can a fang which is not attached to a venom gland deliver enough venom to require 8 vials of antivenom? The science points elsewhere on this particular case history.
~CH
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by MoccasinMan on March 22, 2006
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Good point Chris. I'll admit I didn't think it through. I had never considered the possibility. Thanks for giving a little perspective.
Andrew
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by GREGLONGHURST on March 25, 2006
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Allow me to add experience with B.arietans bite to the mathematics. Nearly forty years ago, I managed to impale the middle finger of my right hand on the fang of a puffadder while force feeding it. My treatment consisted of two 10cc vials of SAIMR antivenin injected intra-muscularly, and spending the afternoon & night in the hospital for observation. I was back at work the next day. To this day, I have a dimple in the finger tip caused by necrosis, but that's all. I personally cannot fathom the need for 8 vials of antivenin for what would have been a very nearly dry bite.
~~Greg~~
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