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Timber or Canebrake, what's the difference????
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by wls967 on September 26, 2002
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I know how i was taught. I just wanted some "EDUCATED" opinions on how different people distinguish between these two different reptiles.
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RE: Timber or Canebrake, what's the difference????
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by jared on September 27, 2002
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NOT MUCH! LOL Some still consider these guys different ssp, guess its just where your from. I will try and make this brief, caneys (usually, yes i am stereotyping) usually found in flatlands on the coastal peninsula from VA (THE COAST, DISMAL AND VA BEACH) to Fl and beyond. Usually much larger than timbers, light grey steel blue background surrounded by bands usually with a red or rust vertebral stripe (but present to some degree in timbers) and inhabit different areas than timbers. Loblolly pine forest usually denning with one to 3 individuals. Now timbers, much smaller (averg 3-4ft) with usual color variations from black to yellow background individuals. Feeding mainly on chipmunks (as caneys PREFER AND LOVE grey squirrels) and inhabiting rocky outcrops at higher elevations from New York to georgia mountains, Almost ONLY found in mountain ranges. Overall the genetics are pretty much the same, but here are some BIG throwing factors. The "timbers" in IDAHO< NEBRASKA, ILLINOIS, and other midwest areas look exactly like S georgia canebrakes. Very strange, they also den up like caneys but get to be larger sized than timbers. Now in KY western VA WVa Nothing but beautiful black and gold phase timbers. Very strange. Either way, hope i helped a little
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by wls967 on September 28, 2002
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ok, now i have my educated opinion (thanks jared) now i would like to hear how some of you would visually distiguish in the field. jared, i have caught canes in the foothills of south carolina. you said in some areas, the timbers looked identical, but you didn't mention NW South Carolina. what did i have? i realize that there was a similar post not long ago, but what i want to know is, if you were herping with me, in NC, SC, GA, FL, AL, coastal plains or mountains, it doesn't matter, and we caught a Crotalus Horridus ???, tell me how you would identify this species, just by looking at it. i realize that identification will not be 100% using this method, i'm just curious.
jared, i haven't given you proper credit, but i always look for your replies in any post that catches my attention. you always seem to have educational and informative insite. thanks, i guess you're never too new to learn something old, or something like that.
wls
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by Charper on September 29, 2002
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Go check out the photo album called "Horridus variations".
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