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by ian on October 11, 2002
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I'm hitting the Oct. show in SC and I'm pretty excited. I want to get another hot but unfortunately will only have 200-300$ to spend on the snake itself and preferably less. I was looking for reccomendations of what to get. I don't want anymore elapidae with the possible exception of a coral cobra. I have a aboreal set up and have already tried mangrove, eyelash(neonate that never fed) and waglers. Any good suggestions. I was thinking sidewinder as long as its an established eater. Maybe a bush viper?
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by BREEZER on October 11, 2002
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Hi Ian
I am from South Africa and i'm only a beginer with hot snakes (with the exception of keeping a Egiptian (snouted) cobra and working at a snake park)).
Seeing that you have an arborial setup, I would recomend WHITE LIP TREE VIPERS (Trimeresurus albolabris)!!! they are one of the most beatiful snakes and have a realitively mild venom. Easy to keep! I'm sure they come cheap there in usa.
Thats just my opinion!!! Good luck and happy herpi'n.
Quintin (BREEZER)
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DUDE! DONT TELL THE BREEDERS HOW MUCH YOU HAVE!!!
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by jared on October 11, 2002
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LOL man they are already having a fit. You have plenty cash, and should be able to pick up a nice collection @ columbia. I personally love coppers, I collect and keep every varying locale and ssp I can find. So i would recommend some nice bbands or pecos (both will be at columbia). Other interests (aboreals) check the morgans table who will have squams and other bush vipers. But since you said toxicity is an issue just be aware that many aboreals dont have antivenin (atheris comes to mind) and have caused fatalities. I love smaller crotalids too, winders, pacifics, greatbasins etc etc. which are pretty easy to work with and most eat like pigs. Which, brings me to pigmys LOL, they are a fav too. Either way, good luck in your choice and cya there!
jared w
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by Brick on October 12, 2002
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Ian, If it were me and only $200; I would go with a FERDELANCE, not many people have them and you can pick up a nice one for $175 to $200. Scott D
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by eyelashvp9 on October 14, 2002
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I would recommend a Sidewinder they are small rattlers about 2 feet long and have low aggression compared to other rattlers. Did your eyelash die on you? Try the
T-REX product lizard maker drops on the pinkie part or force feeding sometimes will get a stuborn neonate to eat eventually.
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by ian on October 15, 2002
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breezer-I have seen white lipped and they are attractive. I'll keep it in mind.
Jared-I've tried a contortrix pictagaster neonate, but had to give it to Filthy who couldn't get it to eat either and gave it to a buddy. I think its in this photo album now. Even though they are jumpy, I think the trans pecos are the most attractive but I'm over neonate coppers. They are at the shows, but not always in abudance. Bush vipers are cool, I've considered them and will look again. Sidewinders are on the list to. Don't the neonates sidewinders commonly have problems in the beginning with feeding. I'd almost like a C. Adamanteus, but they are now endangered in NC.
brick-Not that I'm scared, but I'm trying to minimize risk. If I'm not mistaken, these guys got a bit of a reputation. I kept Terrificus for a year and he was a bit too much. What about cantils in Mexico & C. America, how are they?
eyelash-Yeah, I bought my first neonate eyelash last year that had supposedly eaten once. I worked and worked w/ it. I got pretty good with tease feeding and tried mice heads frozen and freshly killed rubbed in frogs and fish you name it. More than a couple times I backed out of the room at dusk with a pinky head in the snakes mouth only to come back several times to eventually find the snake would drop it. So, next time I'll wait until I can afford an established snake. Forcefeeding a snake that small is not within my experience.
Thanks for the reccomendations everyone!!!
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by jared on October 15, 2002
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Ian, The white lips are a good call, not to hot, and most will be pretty easy to feed once they get goin. Winders as well, some start on lizards but they are not hard to get on pinks. So your in NC as well? Cool, i am in greensboro, I know the EDB thing sucks but I thought you werent looking for a super lethal snake lol! Yeah stear clear of Bothrops (lanceheads) most are highly toxic and VERY psychotic! I have cantils as well and they can be worst than the lanceheads, some will even go into fits of rage biting everything in the cage including themselves. Bush vipers are very nice, not to hard to keep and breed, but then you have to worry about them not having any antivenin. If you have kept terrificus that should be no prob though as they are so hot most people dont live long enough to see the antivenin. Eyelashes are a good choice, not to hot, antivenin available, and not to hard to start as long as you have a decent cb baby or yearling. Either way, I would say pick what you like, any of these animals are capable of causing fatatlities (yes I realize some more than others). If you ever want to check out my collection feel free to give me a holla, I dont mind giving advice LOL! later,
jared w
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