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by Stinkfoot74 on September 29, 2007
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Responcible keeper's ? I tried to post the links but here are some of the most responsible .
http://www.venomousreptiles.org/data/profile/bigsnakedaddy/photo.jpeg
And this one ? I guess he forgot his hook or somthing ?
http://www.venomousreptiles.org/data/profile/zx_rattler/photo.jpeg
Whats up with this one ?
http://www.venomousreptiles.org/libraries/showfilepage/31?offset=8
There was glass between them right ?
http://www.venomousreptiles.org/libraries/showfilepage/843?offset=30
Hook on the ground, No cage in site. is this free handling ?
And I thought this was a nono ?
http://www.venomousreptiles.org/libraries/showfilepage/675?offset=18
Thees were in the classifieds and in the photo albem. To me none of you can prove you are as qualified as you all claim to be. So I take what I read here with a grain of salt. So just so we are clear all the so called pro's could be nothing more then a 14 year old with a ball python and corn snake. just like I may be. Hit the links If you want more I will post them.
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by Buzztail1 on September 29, 2007
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My my Eugene,
You do have a big chip on your shoulder.
For what it is worth, I checked and none of those people replied to your post.
None of those people were critical of you at all.
In fact, if you want to look up to those people as the ones that you want to handle like, be my guest.
I doubt that you will find many, if any, posters here that claim to be experts. Certainly not me. And if it makes you feel better to think that we are all armchair quarterbacks with nothing more than a ball python in our background - well, you came to us not the other way around. But please don't be thinking that I am keeping a corn snake! That would just be irresponsible in the extreme! Corn Snakes are not legal where I live.
You have to decide who it is that you want to listen to. Go to the shows and introduce yourself and meet some of the people who reply here. It won't be hard to pick out who is sincere in their wish to help people and who is in it for self. Check profiles and use the search button in the forum to look at past answers and posts by people.
And if you really believe that we are all just 14 year-olds spouting off, why are you here?
You can ask anyone who has ever met me. I am the same online as I am in person. I do not believe in hiding behind the internet and I give the same advice I would give you to your face. Pointing out all the mistakes that other people make will not make you a better keeper. Each one of the photos that you posted has something to teach us - you just have to see it.
1. Roark is a showman who knows just exactly how far he can push a crocodile that he has worked extensively with. Would I recommend that approach to anyone (even Roark)? No - but it seems to work for him.
2. Is that irresponsible? Yes, I believe it is. I can see no possible necessity to hold up two rattlesnakes by their tails. On the plus side - it does show that a long rattlesnake will have difficulty coming up the length of its body when held by the tail. Most responsible keepers would tell you that position is not really good for the rattlesnake.
3. That, oddly enough, is not considered free handling. That is the classic three fingered viper grip. For many years that was (and still is for the most part) the acceptable way to restrain a viperid by hand.
4. Yes, there was glass between them.
5. It appears that the link you are referring to is missing?
6. Yes - that is dangerous and not responsible although it may be a trick of angle and perception. Puff Adders strike quickly and hard. Having them anywhere near bare toes is a bad idea.
See? Lots to learn from those photos.
For what it is worth, I know at least four of the people who have responded to this post and can vouch that they are responsible people who have worked or do work directly in the animal field as zoo keepers, wildlife educators, etc. You really are getting good advice from top of the line people.
Karl
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by Stinkfoot74 on September 29, 2007
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The 14 year old remark was out of hand. My point is this. I had a close call. I was not paying attention to or giving the proper respect to the animal I was working around. I was not bitten. The fellow's who were in the photo's are not typical of the member's here I am sure . My mentor lurks her quite a bit. Ware we live some of the hots he keeps are out right scarey. He has done this for about 15 years, Not as long as some here but in that time he has not been bitten. Not by the large constrictors and not by his hots. He has 10 fingers as proof. I fessed up to my screw up and was called (indirectly a lair) . I do deserve a good flammeing I dont dispute that as it could have been worse and was not. I will be in San Antonio in November. I will be there to purchas cageing, Climat control, and handleing tool's. Hope to see you there.
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by Cro on September 29, 2007
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Eugene, just what kind of point are you trying to make here ?
You posted about a mistake you made in working with venomous snakes, (which I think is a good thing that might help educate young herpers).
Some here questioned your ability, and that of your mentor in working with snakes, (not surprising, and still very appropriate).
You seem to be ticked off at the response you got, and now seem you want to try to defend your and your mentors sloppy snake handling by posting photos of other dumb asses who also use sloppy handling techniques ? Perhaps you should have not said you were in a hurry to get the snakes done so you and your "mentor" could drink your beer, LOL !
Now you are posting a few photos that you cherry picked out of the tens of thousands of photos on this site, to prove what ? We all know that there are photos on this site that show poor reptile handling skills. Does that somehow make you think that we approve of that kind of reptile handling ?
Anyone could go through the photo archives here and find photos of people doing dumb stuff ! What makes you think that the photos here are somehow those of the site administrators, or are somehow approved as safe reptile handling ?
The photo you list of Roark messing with his salt water crock shows dangerous interaction with a reptile. So what. What does it have to do with this site? If it bites his head off, he will win the Steve Irwin award for irresponisble interaction with an animal. Still, it has nothing to do with you making a mistake and almost getting nailed by a copperhead.
The photo of the nitwhit holding two rattlesnakes by the tail shows very poor and dangerous handling techniques. Again, so what. It is just a photo of a dumb ass that happens to be in the photo album on this site. It does not have anything to do with the correct handling of reptiles that we advocate here.
As Karl has stated, the person holding the Diamondbacked Rattlesnake with the classic 3 finger grip is holding the snake correctly, and is supporting its mid-body correctly. That is not "free handling" as it is clearly a field photo, and not someone messing with a snake in captivity.
As far as the guy looking at the mamba, if there is no glass between them, then it is dangerous. However, even if it is, what does that have to do with you and your mentor ? Just because there is a photo of someone on this site, among the thousands of photos here, does not mean that we think that all we see in the photos here represents correct reptile handling practices ! The person in the photo is not a site administrator, or any member of the ask the experts section.
And the photo of the dumb ass with the puff adder near his feet, well, he is just that, a dumb ass. Again, it is a photo out of thousands on a site. It does not in any way imply that the site administrators or folks who answer in ask the experts approve of barefoot snake work.
So, Eugene, I again ask, what is the point of digging up photos of folks handling snakes and crocks who are clearly using bad techniques ? Does that some way make you feel better about you making a dumb ass mistake yourself ? The photo links you posted are not of site administrators, and are a few cherry picked photos. Perhaps you should spend your time doing more research on proper handling techniques, instead of trying to justify your, and your mentors mistake by posting irrelivent photos on this site.
Just how do you think that posting photos of dumb asses, doing dumb ass stuff, is going to make your mistake less of a mistake ?
Best Regards JohnZ
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by MoccasinMan on September 29, 2007
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The important thing is to learn from your mistakes. You brought your mistakes to this forum and you got plenty of feedback... from several experts I might add. You did not like what you heard. None of it was personal... just observations and judgements based on what you told us. If you hang around here long it will likely happen again. You will learn who knows what they are talking about and who is just spouting off. But you will learn! Character is demonstrated by how one deals with adversity. How will this experience make you a better herper?
Andrew
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by squigy on September 29, 2007
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Ok I said my piece earlier....but my question is about the puff pic. That picture bothers me none in the least (except the open toed sandles). The guy could have had a hook in his hands...puffs strike fast but most relitively slow. A venomous snake on the floor bothers me very little as long as I know its there. And lastly I'm very disappointed that we didn't see the moron tailing the six foot gabbon in mid air with no shoes on. That is my all time favorite dumbass.lol
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by Rob_Carmichael on September 30, 2007
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Your comment: "puffs strike fast but most relitively slow" (I spelled relatively just the way you wrote it just so that this is accurate) shows the complete and utter lack of respect for the potential of harm that these animals can inflict. Where on God's green earth did you ever come up with the idea that puffs strike "relatively slowly"? Puffs strike with incredible speed - faster than the blink of an eye and at just about any angle. Again, I just shake my head in complete disbelief by the ignorance of some of the folks here. Again, I'll bite my tongue and stop.
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by Buzztail1 on September 30, 2007
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Rob,
It is very difficult sometimes to read between what is actually written and what the poster actually meant.
You went a different way than I did.
The poster posted: "puffs strike fast but most relitively slow..."
I read: "Puff Adders strike fast but move relatively slow..."
No matter which one of us correctly deciphered the poster's true meaning, the difference highlights the need to be accurate in spelling and diction to avoid being misunderstood.
Especially when the difference could mean putting bad or erroneous information out to people who actually do not know any better.
Hence, the whole preview page - to check your spelling and diction to ensure that what you typed is, in fact, what you meant.
Cheers,
Karl
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by Cro on September 30, 2007
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It is too bad that the site does not have a build in Spelling Checker as part of the Preview Page.
That would be a usefull addition, although in this instance it would have not caught the difference between "most" and "move".
Best Regards JohnZ
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by MoccasinMan on September 30, 2007
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Karl- just FYI when trying to back out of the preview function to make a correction the entire post is lost. I have not been able to use it for corrections for quite some time.
Andrew
ps- i just checked it to make sure. it doesn't work.
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