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Need advice testing HexArmor Hercules 3180 Gloves
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by Kingetula on October 8, 2007
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Without actually putting the gloves on and sticking my hands into a snake pit for the first test. I want to do a video review with my hand in the glove and want to know if needles are an acceptable way to test these gloves.
I was given some Ultra-Fine Insulin Syringes that I think would work great for the test but on the other hand most snakes fangs are not thin. I would like some feedback on what I should use.
I guess what I am getting at is if I used these needles would it be a fair test?
Thanks
Scott
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by Kingetula on October 8, 2007
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Correction "most snakes fangs are not thin"
When comparing to these Ultra-Thin needles.
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by LordViperTX on October 8, 2007
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Rubber glove filled with water
Freeze
Insert into glove
Entice the test snake to bit the glove a few times
Carefully remove the rubber glove
Allow to thaw
Check for leaks
No leaks = no probable penetration
Considerations: Ice is far firmer than a human hand, so the glove is firmer than it would be with a hand in it. If there is no perceivable penetration through the test glove with the "frozen hand" inside it is unlikely that there would be any with a softer, live human hand inside it.
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by earthguy on October 8, 2007
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Better to use liquid water than ice (you don't want to injure the snake). Ballistic gel would be the most realistic, but expensive. Maybe good ol' Jell-o? There's always room for it.
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by Cro on October 8, 2007
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Scott, did you see my last post on on the previous thread on this subject ?
I am planning to use Balistic Gelatin for my testing of the gloves, as I feel that it more closely duplicates the texture of human flesh inside of the glove. As previously stated, it is expensive, however I have ordered $100.00 worth of the stuff to test with. I will be using live pit-vipers, old world vipers, and elapids in my testing, as well as different guage needles hopefully hooked up to a pressure guage so that I can log the puncture force and compare it with the force exerted in actual testing with snakes in their striking.
Why dont you use the frozen water inside of the double latex gloves, and duplicate Dr. Fry`s test that he has on the Midwest Site. Dr. Fry let the frozen latex liner gloves thaw a bit, so there would be a watery slush between the latex and the frozen ice. Then he checked for punctures. That kept the snakes from biting into the ice and damaging their fangs, and quickly showed any punctures of the latex gloves from the leakage.
It would be even better if you can also test the gloves with live snakes. Perhaps someone in your area will let you use their snakes for the testing.
If we both test the gloves different ways, we will have two different test results to compare the results of. The more different types of testing we can do, the better the results should be.
As far as needles to use, the thin needle you suggest would be good to test the needle holes from the stitching, however, it is very thin, and abpt to bend under pressure. If I were you, I would use several different guage needles in your tests.
A small needle might make it through a small needle hole, however, a larger needle might power its way through just because it can handle more force before bending.
When Dr. Fry tested the gloves, it took his King Cobra a bit of time to chew throught the gloves, but that animal was exerting a lot of pressure with a fairly thick / strong fang.
Making a video of your test is a very good way to document the results.
Lets keep in touch on this as the testing progresses. Perhaps we can co-author an article on our test results in one of the herpetological journals. You can always reach me at jzegel@mindspring.com
Best Regards,
and good luck on your testing and filming of the results !
JohnZ
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