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Why/HOW AZA is hurting non AZA people
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by tigers9 on December 30, 2007
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Read this AZA publication on wild pets, it reads like AR stuff from API, HSUS or PETA site, gee, they even send you to AR Captive wildlife Coalition for statistics.
http://www.aza.org/ForEveryone/Documents/WADNMGP_Web.pdf
Then they go to ‘list pet incidents’, and WOW, the incidents they list are all in USDA facilities, so I guess according to AZA, anybody not AZA is an idiot pet owner?
They say “Las Vegas trainer”, we all know who it is even if they don’t name him, so I guess Roy is just a pet owner too in the world according to AZA …
The chimp incident is from CA, where exotic pets are illegal unless u r USDA and state wildlife licensed, so CA ‘pet’ owners actually have more oversight than Ca AZA zoos, which r exempt from these CA laws…
This is the stuff that angers me about AZA, they keep doing so much damage to anybody NOT AZA by spreading AR crap and misinformation.
Or read here, testimony of AZA veterinarian Miller supporting that horrific CWSA, (captive wildlife safety act) HSUS bill that prevents people from taking their exotic pet cats with them across state lines, (it is now a felony to be a responsible pet owner and instead of dumping your exotic cat when relocating, responsibly keep it and move it with you, thanks AZA, u can not even take it to the vet across sate lines if u live at the border of 2 states if u r not USDA), monkey bill is now active and HSUS wants to add herps and birds
http://www.aza.org/RC/Documents/TestimonyCaptiveWildlifeSafetyAct.pdf
Somehow, the only examples he could use to prove the supposed need for this bill were incidents at two facilities that were already licensed and regulated by federal USDA agency and also on the state level, and would therefore be exempted from the bill he was supporting and trying to pass. It is like mixing apples and oranges, trying to ban orange growers because few apples were bad. How about just going after the bad apples and leave the rest alone?
Miller also claims that: ”Private ownership of large felids also creates significant public consequences.”
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by tigers9 on December 30, 2007
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I guess it is all what you call them, the label, if you call them pets,. U r a bad bad boy and girl…if I didn’t find this on AZA site I would have guessed I was on HSU$ site, honest. Wild animals cat bite and scratch? What about domestics??? What idiot wrote this???
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http://www.aza.org/ForEveryone/NotGoodPets/
Why Wild Animals Don't Make Good Pets
Exotic creatures like pythons, kinkajous and scarlet macaws have captured the hearts of animal-lovers looking for companions with pizzazz. Of course, nothing says "wow!" like a tiger; but keeping exotic animals as pets can come with a hidden cost.
What is a "wild" animal?
Wild animals have lived for thousands and thousands of years without the direct influence of humans. They have adaptations that help them survive in their own complex environments. They are not well adapted to living in your house!
What's wrong with having a wild animal as a pet?
There are several important reasons why you should not keep wild animals as pets:
• You can't provide the right home for them.
Wild animals have complex behavioral, social, nutritional and psychological needs. Most people simply cannot meet the needs of wild animals kept as "pets". Wild animals need to be with members of their own species, not humans.
• Taking them from the wild can endanger the species.
Parrots are the world's most endangered family of birds due to devastation from the international pet trade. The enormous global demand for exotic pets is fueling the illegal capture and trade of millions of birds, mammals and reptiles annually, most of which die while being captured or transported.
• You could get hurt.
Keeping wild animals as pets can be dangerous. They can bite, scratch, attack their owners, and their owner's children and guests. Animal owners are legally responsible for any damage, injuries or illnesses caused by their animals. Finding new homes for large, hard-to-handle animals can be difficult, if not impossible, particularly since most zoos are unable to accept them.
• You could get sick.
Wild animals carry diseases dangerous to humans. Some diseases are not curable and can be fatal. Diseases include rabies, distemper, herpes viruses, salmonella, polio, tuberculosis, Rocky Mountain spotted fever and bubonic plague. Wild animals also harbor parasites, such as ascarid worms, tape worms, flukes, and protozoa.
• It would probably be illegal.
Many state, county and city ordinances prohibit the ownership of wild animals as pets.
What types of animals do make good pets?
• Dogs, domestic cats, guinea pigs, domestic rats and mice, domestic gerbils, common hamsters, domestic ferrets, domestic rabbits, domestic chinchillas.
• Interesting insects like African millipedes or Hissing cockroaches.
• Responsibly captive-bred parakeets, canaries, cockatiels, doves, and pigeons.
• Responsibly captive-bred reptiles and amphibians such as red-footed tortoises, lizards (bearded dragons, leopard geckos), snakes (corn snakes, king snakes, ball pythons) and frogs (White's tree frog, ornate horned frog, fire-bellied toad, red-eyed tree frog).
• Tropical fish that are captive-raised or collected from sustainable wild populations make good pets. Look for certification from the Marine Aquarium Council when you buy tropical fish for your home aquarium.
Visit a shelter
Millions of dogs and cats are destroyed each year because they don't have homes. Shelter directories such as the ASPCA or PetFinder are excellent places to find adoptable animals near you.
Want more information?
Download the two-page brochure, Choose your pets wisely . . . Why wild animals do not make good pets (in PDF).
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by tigers9 on December 30, 2007
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Doug, I only use facts, that is my specialty,read any of the latest legislation, let's use 2007 WA state ban bill (link below)as an example, read what the bill says, and who it exempts. It regulates all non AZA people, including USDA facilities to extinction, they can keep current animals but can not breed or replace them, AZA as always is exempt from this ban, as well as AR sanctuaries who agree to not breed (so no conservation).
This is a cookie cutter typical API bill currently being introduced on state and local levels in th elast few years.This one originally had even smaller mammals and harmless reptiles in it too, and be assured API/Born free will be back to add more species.
Olympic game farm got some weird exemption because of some weird game farm clause in WA law. But anybody, wheteher USDA or not can replace or breed,only research licensed USDA facility can stay and be exempt in addition to AZA, read it carefully, circus can not have a home in WA, they can only travel thru the state..
Read the whole ban bill, if AZA was affected instead of exempt from this ban, if it was banned from buying and breeding and replacing all primates, big cats, bears, reptiels, etc, if AZA had to comply with this horrible ban bill, if AZA didns;t have this unfair privat eclub exmeption from thsi bill, would AZA be fighting with us, the non AZA people???
Why is i tOK in WA to be AZA but non AZA zoo with certain species???? Assuming everything esle is equal (animals, cage)...isnt that discrimination forcing somebody to join private club to keep his job and facility?
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http://www.leg.wa.gov/pub/billinfo/2007-08/Pdf/Amendments/Senate/1418%20AMS%20CPH%20S2914.1.pdf
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NEW SECTION. Sec. 3. (1) The provisions of this chapter do not
28 apply to:
29 (a) Institutions authorized by the Washington department of fish
30 and wildlife to hold, possess, and propagate deleterious exotic
31 wildlife pursuant to RCW 77.12.047;
32 (b) Institutions accredited or certified by the American zoo and
33 aquarium association or a facility with a current signed memorandum of
34 participation with an association of zoos and aquariums species
35 survival plan;
36 (c) Duly incorporated nonprofit animal protection organizations,
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1 such as humane societies and shelters, housing an animal at the written
2 request of the animal control authority or acting under the authority
3 of this chapter;
4 (d) Animal control authority, law enforcement officers, or county
5 sheriffs acting under the authority of this chapter;
6 (e) Veterinary hospitals or clinics;
7 (f) A holder of a valid wildlife rehabilitation permit issued by
8 the Washington department of fish and wildlife;
9 (g) Any wildlife sanctuary as defined under section 2(5) of this
10 act;
11 (h) A research facility as defined by the animal welfare act, 7
12 U.S.C.A. 2131, as amended, for the species of animals for which they
13 are registered. This includes but is not limited to universities,
14 colleges, and laboratories holding a valid class R license under the
15 animal welfare act;
16 (i) Circuses, defined as incorporated, class C licensees under the
17 animal welfare act, 7 U.S.C.A. 2131, as amended, that are temporarily
18 in this state, and that offer performances by live animals, clowns, and
19 acrobats for public entertainment;
20 (j) A person temporarily transporting and displaying a potentially
21 dangerous wild animal through the state if the transit time is not more
22 than twenty-one days and the animal is at all times maintained within
23 a confinement sufficient to prevent the animal from escaping;
24 (k) Domesticated animals subject to this title or native wildlife
25 subject to Title 77 RCW;
26 (l) A person displaying animals at a fair approved by the
27 Washington department of agriculture pursuant to chapter 15.76 or 36.37
28 RCW; and
29 (m) A game farm meeting the requirements of WAC 232-12-027(1).
30 (2) This chapter does not require a city or county
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by tigers9 on December 30, 2007
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Doug, and here is CA example/regulation the SJ Mercury news article refererd to where it says AZA zoos have less regulatory oversight that non AZA people, and this is all over, not just in CA or WA, AZA are being exmept from many bans, laws, red tape, etc...is that fair???I think i gave u enough facst, have to go out and leash train a cougar, will be back later.
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(c) A zoo is exempt from any permit requirement pursuant to this
chapter except for animals whose importation, transportation, or
possession is determined by the department, in cooperation with the
Department of Food and Agriculture, to be detrimental or cause damage
to agriculture, native wildlife, or the public health or safety. For
purposes of this section, "zoo" means any organization which is
accredited as meeting the standards and requirements of the American
Zoo and Aquarium Association (AZA). Any California organization which
is not accredited by the AZA may apply to the department for a
waiver of specified permit requirements of this chapter. The
department may grant or deny the request for a waiver for justified
reasons.
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http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=0598971791+14+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve
CALIFORNIA CODES
FISH AND GAME CODE
SECTION 2150-2157
2150. (a) (1) The department, in cooperation with the Department of
Food and Agriculture, may, upon application, issue a written permit
to import into, possess, or transport within this state any wild
animal enumerated in, or designated pursuant to, Section 671 of Title
14 of the California Code of Regulations, upon a determination that
the animal is not detrimental or that no damage or detriment can be
caused to agriculture, native wildlife, the public health or safety,
or the welfare of the animal, as a result of the importation,
transportation, or possession.
(2) A permit may be issued to any person only upon application and
payment of a nonrefundable application fee in an amount determined
by the department pursuant to Section 2150.2. Application forms shall
be provided by the department and shall be designed to ascertain the
applicant's ability to properly care for the wild animal or animals
the applicant seeks to import, transport, or possess. Proper care
includes providing adequate food, shelter, and veterinary care, and
other requirements the commission may designate.
(b) The commission or the department shall deny a permit and the
commission shall revoke a permit if it finds that a permittee or
applicant has failed to meet, or is unable to meet, the requirements
for importing, transporting, possessing, or confining any wild animal
as established pursuant to Section 2120.
(c) A zoo is exempt from any permit requirement pursuant to this
chapter except for animals whose importation, transportation, or
possession is determined by the department, in cooperation with the
Department of Food and Agriculture, to be detrimental or cause damage
to agriculture, native wildlife, or the public health or safety. For
purposes of this section, "zoo" means any organization which is
accredited as meeting the standards and requirements of the American
Zoo and Aquarium Association (AZA). Any California organization which
is not accredited by the AZA may apply to the department for a
waiver of specified permit requirements of this chapter. The
department may grant or deny the request for a waiver for justified
reasons. Foreign zoos outside this state are not subject to the
permit requirements of this chapter beyond those specific permit
requirements affecting California zoos or organizations with which
they are collaborating. Any organization may appeal the determination
of the department to the commission.
(d) An exhibitor licensed by the United States Department of
Agriculture or a dealer who is so licensed who buys any animal
specified in subdivision (c) from a zoo within the state, may sell or
transfer it only to a private individual who has a permit issued
pursuant to this section prior to the receipt of the animal or to a
public or private organization that has a permit issued pursuant to
this section prior to the receipt of the animal. The exhibitor or
dealer who sells or transfers that animal shall pay a fee pursuant to
Section 2150.2 to the department.
(e) Any university, college, governmental research agency, or
other bona fide scientific institution, as defined in regulations
adopted by the commission, engaging in scientific or public health
research is exempt from any permit requirement pursuant to this
chapter except for animals whose importation, transportation, or
possession is determined by the department, in cooperation with the
Department of Food and Agriculture, to be detrimental or cause damage
to agriculture, native wildlife, or the public health or safety.
(f) Notwithstanding the provisions of this section, every zoo,
university, college, governmental research agency, or other bona fide
scientific institution shall comply with the requirements of
subdivision (a) of Section 2193 for all animals the zoo, university,
college, governmental research agency, or other bona fide scientific
institution possesses that are enumerated in, or designated pursuant
to, Section 671 of Title 14 of the California Code of Regulations.
2150.1. Fees collected pursuant to this chapter for permits, permit
applications, and facility inspections shall be deposited in the
Fish and Game Preservation Fund. The department shall annually
identify the amount collected for each type of permit, permit
application, or inspection for which a fee is collected.
2150.2. The department shall establish fees for permits, permit
applications, and facility inspections in amounts sufficient to cover
the costs of administering, implementing, and enforcing this
chapter.
2150.3. (a) The director shall appoint a committee to advise the
director on the humane care and treatment of wild animals.
(b) The committee shall make recommendations to the director for
the establishment of standards of performance for administration and
enforcement, which shall include, but are not limited to, requiring
that the eligible local entity possess a knowledge of humane wild
animal training methods.
(c) The committee shall make recommendations to the director as to
the frequency of inspections necessary for the enforcement and
administration of any provision concerning the possession of,
handling of, care for, or holding facilities provided for, a wild
animal designated pursuant to Section 2118, or a cat specified in
Section 3005.9.
(d) The committee shall advise and assist the director in entering
into memorandums of understanding with eligible local entities and
in determining whether the memorandums of understanding meet the
requirements of this chapter.
2150.4. (a) Consistent with Section 3005.91, the department or an
eligible local entity shall inspect the wild animal facilities, as
determined by the director's advisory committee, of each person
holding a permit issued pursuant to Section 2150 authorizing the
possession of a wild animal.
(b) In addition to the inspections specified in subdivision (a),
the department or an eligible local entity, pursuant to the
regulations of the commission, may inspect the facilities and care
provided for the wild animal of any person holding a permit issued
pursuant to Section 2150 for the purpose of determining whether the
animal is being cared for in accordance with all applicable statutes
and regulations. The department shall collect an inspection fee, in
an amount determined by the department pursuant to Section 2150.2.
(c) No later than January 1, 2007, the department, in cooperation
with the committee created pursuant to Section 2150.3, shall develop,
implement, and enter into memorandums of understanding with eligible
local entities if the department elects not to inspect every wild
animal facility pursuant to subdivisions (a) and (b). Eligible local
entities shall meet the criteria established in regulations adopted
pursuant to subdivision (b) of Section 2157.
2150.5. (a) The department shall, on or before May 1, 1991,
establish, and thereafter keep current, written policies and
procedures to implement the animal housing, possession, importation,
and transportation requirements pursuant to this chapter. The
department shall provide copies of the policies and procedures to
interested parties upon request.
(b) The policies and procedures shall include, but not be limited
to, criteria for all of the following:
(1) Receiving, processing, and issuing a permit or permit
application, and conducting inspection activities.
(2) Contracting out inspection activities.
(3) Responding to public reports and complaints.
(4) Notification of the revocation, termination, or denial of
permits, and related appeals.
(c) The department shall make proposed policies and procedures
available to interested parties before their implementation. The
department may receive and incorporate comments and recommendations
on the policies and procedures from interested parties.
2150.5. Classes, orders, families, genera, and species which may
not be imported, transported, possessed, or released alive in this
state solely because of concern for the welfare of the animal may be
possessed under permit when the owner can demonstrate that such
animal was legally acquired and possessed in California before the
effective date of this section. The department may require the owner
of an animal which may be possessed under this section to mark or
otherwise identify such animal and progeny, so as not to endanger the
welfare of that animal, to the satisfaction of the department. The
owner shall not transfer such animal or progeny to any other person
without prior approval of the department.
2151. A permit shall be issued only upon written application from
the person desiring to import or transport the species, enumerating
all of the following:
(a) The approximate number and true scientific name of each
species of wild animal for which a permit is requested.
(b) The carrier and probable point of first arrival in this State
of each shipment of such species.
(c) The purpose for which they are to be imported or transported.
(d) The name and address of the consignee.
(e) The name and address of the consignor.
2152. Each permit issued shall set forth all of the following:
(a) The number and true scientific name of the species of wild
animal for which the permit is granted.
(b) A statement of the manner and conditions under which the entry
of such species is permitted.
(c) A statement of the conditions under which the species shall be
kept after importation or during transportation.
2153. Whenever any permit is issued under the provisions of this
article, one copy shall be sent by the department to the State
Department of Food and Agriculture, one copy to the county
agricultural commissioner or to the state plant quarantine officer
having jurisdiction at the place designated in the application as the
probable point of first arrival in the state of such species, and
one copy shall accompany each shipment of wild animals involved.
2155. The provisions of this chapter and regulations adopted
pursuant thereto shall apply to the progeny of any wild animal
imported or possessed under such laws and regulations, except that no
permit shall be required for the possession of progeny if a permit
has already been obtained by the owner for the parent, and the
progeny are kept at the same site.
2156. Neither the provisions of this chapter nor the regulations of
the commission shall prevent any city or county from enacting
ordinances relating to the possession or care of wild animals
provided such ordinances are more restrictive.
2157. (a) Every person holding a permit issued pursuant to Section
2150 shall uniquely identify each wild mammal that poses a risk to
the health and safety of the public and report this identification to
the department to maintain in a registry.
(b) The commission shall adopt regulations that address the
following:
(1) Identify the mammals that pose a risk to the health and safety
of the public and are subject to subdivision (a). This
identification shall include the following species of mammals: wild
cats, elephants, nonhuman primates, bears, and wolves.
(2) Acceptable forms of identification.
(3) How and when a permittee must notify the department of the
unique identifier required in subdivision (a).
(c) The department shall establish a registry listing the permit
number, type, expiration date, the name and address of the permittee,
and an inventory of each mammal and to the identification assigned
or affixed to the mammal pursuant to subdivision (a) that is covered
by the permit.
(d) These regulations shall be developed and adopted by the
commission, on or before January 1, 2007.
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by fizzbob7 on January 1, 2008
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just in case you don't know, aquaherp is all for responsible animal ownership, just as long as you graduated from a respectable college with a degree in something related to animals and science, are a member of various organizations having to do with animals and you are an animal caretaker at your day job.
just so you know you're kinda being set up. He's the curator of the Abilene Zoo who is AZA accredited; a bit biased.
i personally despise the politics behind the AZA. the birmingham zoo had existed peacefully and successfully for decades but when the AZA and its bought men started throwing their political weight around, the zoo all of a sudden had "issues with their facilities" and lost their accreditation in the late 90's (they'd been battling the AZA for years on this issue and finally lost). they really tried their best to make it sound like the zoo was falling apart and the AZA dropped them out of "safety-related issues", even though the only changes were to who was in office, who supported their campaigns, and what organization had new-found power. after nearly having to file bankruptcy related to the down-time and the inability to keep most of the animals until they were AZA accredited, they found enough money to join back up and did some remodeling that had been planned anyway (and was put on hold thanks to the AZA fiasco).
thing is, you won't find any paperwork related to the inspection that surely happened after b'ham could afford to get their accreditation back, and that's because it never happened. they didn't have to fix a list of issues so they could become AZA accredited again, they simply had to come up with the dough, kinda like how the mafia operates lol.
i started visiting the zoo in the 80's and never saw or heard a thing that would make me believe they weren't up to snuff. after some research on the AZA, i realized that the zoo was being blackballed unless it re-joined since the AZA was basically a new, more powerful organization.
but hey, zoos are businesses, they aren't something meant to inform humans while benefitting animals, oh wait, that's EXACTLY what they are for.
looks like the AZA would facilitate something like that, wouldn't they?
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