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The Tiger accident
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by SCatheris on January 18, 2008
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I honestly think its the victims faults......I would highly doubt that the tiger would of attacked had thye not been taunting it! Now I hear people always say well what if it was a child or something. first off what would a child be doing on the rail unattended. Sure the walls weren't high enough I'm sure other zoos have flaws like that as well but if you piss off a tiger what do you expect it to do? I don't think a well fed, captive raised tiger would attack unprevoked.........even with the expect the unexpected mentality.
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by Cro on January 18, 2008
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Justin, you are right. If the folks involved had not crossed fenses, and went to areas of the zoo where they were not supposed to be, and if they had not somehow messed with the tiger, they would not have been attacked.
Still, a zoo needs to have barriers that are people proof so that stupid people can not get to the animals areas, and get themselves munched on. Many zoos design exhibits to keep the animals in, but many also do not design their zoos so that people can be kept out.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by tigers9 on January 18, 2008
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it doesn't matter how much you scream or taunt, animal (tiger, cobra, whatever...)is supposed to stay IN the cage. Cage shoud be built to contain angry animals.
Unless the young men did 'terrorist act' and opened the door or cut a hole in the wall (or in snake scenario broke the glass on purpose), the zoo is responsible.
If they did illegal drugs, that is a separate issue, but has nothing to do with zoo caging where animals shall stay in.
Unfortunately, all of us will pay here where we might have to deal with unneeded overreaction and tough regs, and only big AZA zoos will be able to afford the increase in insurance premiums and redoing cages, all they have to do is increases in funding.
If the zoo had hot wire or recurve, the cage is tall enough as it is.
Z
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by LarryDFishel on January 18, 2008
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Yeah, I don't have a problem with saying that the kids are partially responsible, but the place is open to the public. People WILL taunt the animals, no if's, ands or buts. They shouldn't, but they WILL and anyone who's been working there for 15 minutes can't make much of an argument that they didn't know that.
Now, if the kids climbed in the cage and got eaten, too bad, but you can't just say "oh, that tiger never would have TRIED to jump out if he hadn't been taunted." Any random kid running past the cage could have stimulated the tiger to try and get out.
That said, if they had been given bad advice or studied the problem and believed that 12.5' was too high for the cats to reach and they were just wrong, I can kind of understand that...but it would still suck to be them.
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by tigers9 on January 18, 2008
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With owning any animals, especially predators, (be it big cat or big or venomous reptile), comes a huge responsibility, to the public and to your animals as well.
If you want to injure yourself, that is your thing, but you need to protect the public as well as your animals, especially aniamls from idiotic public.
If you don’t protect your animals from idiots, it is them, your animals that pay with their life. And that is NOT fair to them.
I always tell people my caging is like a prison to keep idiots OUT, to protect my animals from stupid human race.
You need to make your cages idiot proof, as well as angry animal proof, it is hard to make them terrorist proof, but idiot proof is an achievable project.
So until you change your attitude and stop concentrating on percentages about who to blame and start concentrating on being a responsible owner, you should definitely stay away from owning any potentially dangerous animals, or make it anything with teeth.
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NO IT WAS THE KIDS FAULT
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by jared on January 19, 2008
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I had a close friend give me bit of an inside scoop on the attack, The main kid, climbed the fence, after they had been shooting at the tiger with his slingshot he brought into the park, and then sat over the rail, dangled his legs at the tiger, at which point the animal ran, jumped, and used the little punk as a human ladder (using his legs n back to grip n spring off of) to hop him (mauling him in the process) and hop up and over to attack and maul his friends. In whick case, the animal wouldnt have gotten out, if the kids wouldnt have aided in his escape (by turning oneself into a jumppad for an adult tiger). Why does everyone wanna hop the fence to see the polar bear, and then when hes out everyone runs away?
Jared
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by SCatheris on January 19, 2008
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the truth will set them free.............but they will remain to be seen as incredibly stupid.
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by tigers9 on January 19, 2008
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OK, I uploaded pic of SZ zoo tiger habitat area here
http://www.rexano.org/Images2/sfzoo_tiger_cage.jpg
Railing is FAR away, his legs would have to be min 10 feet long to dangle for him to be sitting on the railing and dangle his legs IN the tiger cage.
If he was sitting on the concrete slab and tiger grabbed him, I don’t see how he would be able to hold on and not fall in, especially since they were supposedly high and drunk, meaning, your equilibrium really gets messed up.
I am hands on with tigers and lions, if they grab u like that, u go in the cage with them, they r extremely powerful. I just can’t see a human being just sitting there on the concrete slab and be a ladder for tiger, only way it can happen is if the human is super glued to the concrete.
Just my opinion of course.
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RE: NO IT WAS THE KIDS FAULT
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by Cro on January 19, 2008
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The photo shows the main problem, the 4 foot or less tall metal fense that would be easy for someone to climb over and allow them access to the side of the tiger enclosure. The "people fense" is a major flaw with the zoo design. It would also seem that a 12.5 foot tall moat is a bit too shallow. If we have basketball playing humans that jump high enough to slam-dunk a basketball into a 10 foot high hoop, surely a big cat could jump high enough to hook a paw over a 12.5 foot wall.
I think it is possible that the kid was "clamped" onto the concrete rail strong enough for the cat to use him as a ladder, especially if he was hanging on for dear life with his arms and legs locked around that concrete. But I can also see a cat easily dragging someone off of the wall into the cage, if they were not strongly anchored.
If you look to the left side of the photo, you see vegatation overhanging the wall and reaching half way down into the moat. Perhaps the cat used some of the overhanging vines and branches to help him climb up to the top of the enclosure ?
Still lots of good questions about this one.
Best Regards JohnZ
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