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by tigers9 on January 26, 2008
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I was asked about thsi privately by more than one person, many are confused, so here ot is.
Bush threaened to not sign Federal farm bill 2007, but in case if he does, here is one of billions amendments atatched to that bill that affects many here, short story is, if turtle farmers prove their turltes are safe from salmonella, small turtles will be legal to sell again, if this proves other reptiles have it too and more, nobody can sell reptiles.
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) shall prohibit the sale in the United States of any reptile or amphibian that contains a similar or greater prevalence of salmonella than that of pet turtles<snip>
H.R.2419
Food and Energy Security Act of 2007 (Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by Senate)
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Subtitle C--DOMESTIC PET TURTLE MARKET ACCESS
SEC. 11101. SHORT TITLE.
This title may be cited as the `Domestic Pet Turtle Equality Act'.
SEC. 11102. FINDINGS.
Congress makes the following findings:
(1) Pet turtles less than 10.2 centimeters in diameter have been banned for sale in the United States by the Food and Drug Administration since 1975 due to health concerns.
(2) The Food and Drug Administration does not ban the sale of iguanas or other lizards, snakes, frogs, or other amphibians or reptiles that are sold as pets in the United States that carry salmonella bacteria. The Food and Drug Administration also does not require that these animals be treated for salmonella bacteria before being sold as pets.
(3) The technology to treat turtles for salmonella, and make them safe for sale, has greatly advanced since 1975. Treatments exist that can eradicate salmonella from turtles up until the point of sale, and individuals are more aware of the causes of salmonella, how to treat salmonella poisoning, and the seriousness associated with salmonella poisoning.
(4) University research has shown that these turtles can be treated in such a way that they can be raised, shipped, and distributed without having a recolonization of salmonella.
(5) University research has also shown that pet owners can be equipped with a treatment regimen that allows the turtle to be maintained safe from salmonella.
(6) The Food and Drug Administration and the Department of Agriculture should allow the sale of turtles less than 10.2 centimeters in diameter as pets as long as the sellers are required to use proven methods to treat these turtles for salmonella.
SEC. 11103. REVIEW, REPORT, AND ACTION ON THE SALE OF BABY TURTLES.
(a) Pet Turtle- In this section, the term `pet turtle' means a turtle that is less than 10.2 centimeters in diameter.
(b) Prevalence of Salmonella- Not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this title, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, acting through the Commissioner of Food and Drugs, shall determine the prevalence of salmonella in each species of reptile and amphibian sold legally as a pet in the United States in order to determine whether the prevalence of salmonella in reptiles and amphibians sold legally as pets in the United States on average is not more than 10 percent less than the percentage of salmonella in pet turtles.
(c) Action if Prevalence Is Similar- If the prevalence of salmonella in reptiles and amphibians sold legally as pets in the United States on average is not more than 10 percent less than the percentage of salmonella in pet turtles--
(1) the Secretary of Agriculture shall--
(A) conduct a study to determine how pet turtles can be sold safely as pets in the United States and provide recommendations to Congress not later than 150 days after the date of such determination;
(B) in conducting such study, consult with all relevant stakeholders, such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the turtle farming industry, academia, and the American Academy of Pediatrics; and
(C) examine the safety measures taken to protect individuals from salmonella-related dangers involved with reptiles and amphibians sold legally in the United States that contain a similar or greater presence of salmonella than that of pet turtles; and
(2) the Secretary of Agriculture--
(A) may not prohibit the sale of pet turtles in the United States; or
(B) shall prohibit the sale in the United States of any reptile or amphibian that contains a similar or greater prevalence of salmonella than that of pet turtles.
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by earthguy on January 28, 2008
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It has been illegal to sell turtles with a carapace of less than 4" anywhere in the US since before I was born. But that hasn't stopped anyone. For an interesting read here is an article about a Salmonella issue here in the Carolinas:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5703a3.htm?s_cid=mm5703a3_e
Enjoy!
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by tigers9 on January 28, 2008
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Yeah, I saw that CDC sensatioanlized BS, did animal rights freak took over all governemnt offices by now?;-)
More peopel got sick form peanut butter in shorter time than from turtles.
What epidemic, few cases in one year and not all traced to turtles? I checked out that salmonella strain, can be in alfalfa and chicken as well,I am sure all of the vitims also ate chicken in 2 weeks before getting sick, only half had semi confirmed turtle access in 2 weeks prior.
Maybe turtles got it form chicked they ate?
OK, I researched the salmonella strain they claimed trtles gave to people "Salmonella Paratyphi B var. Java" , and guess what, it occurs in poultry, how many of these people in addition to playing with turtle also ate chicken that week?
(http://www.eurosurveillance.org/em/v08n02/0802-222.asp
Explosive increase of Salmonella Java in poultry in the Netherlands: Consequences for public health)
As well as in alfalfa: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol10no7/pdfs/03-0862.pdf
I amtaking these CDC pseudoscares less and less seriously.
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by earthguy on January 29, 2008
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Z,
You're right, but I still found the read an interesting one. You know we're fighting a psycological battle. More people die in skiing accidents and avalanches (I heard on NPR this morning that 27 have died on one mountain in California this season) than ALL 'exotic animal incidents' and native venomous snakes bites COMBINED. Yet people shell out big bucks to hit the slopes and make a big deal about "controlling" venomous snake populations (see rattlesnake roundup thread). I can't for the life of me figure out how people can think the way they do.
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by tigers9 on January 29, 2008
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earthguy wrote:
<snip>I can't for the life of me figure out how people can think the
way they do. <snip>
Well, you just made a wrong assumption.;-)
You assumed most people THINK for THEMSELVES, most people are followers, lemmings, just react to whatever pseudo scare story is the media story of the day, alar apples, etc…
If people were thinking, they would never take stupid ‘actors’ like Pamela Anderson seriously .If people engaged brain, they could see Pamela the PETA spokesperson is a frequent user of plastic surgery tested on ANIMALS, if people can’t see this hypocrisy, how can we make them see little more harder to comprehend facts???
I guess people are Ok with being killed/crashed/sliced in half in car accidents leaving bloody skid marks, but god forbid you get killed by animal leaving few tiny holes in your finger or neck. (insert sarcasm).
Anyway, REXANO just produced another video (no snakes in this one)
Wild & Exotic Animal Attacks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glYLDsRMhi4
Z
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by DrAnole on February 7, 2008
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The problems IMHO are not the odds of getting sick or dying compared to other ways of dying. Nor are they comparing the incidence of reptile salmonella to that of chicken or meat (the CDC website shows that most cases of salmonella are cross-checked to the herp that the person came into contact with, so it is probably herp-borne salmonella).
The problem is that mostly very young children and babies are getting seriously ill and dying from salmonella from reptiles because the parents WERE NOT EDUCATED of the risks of contracting salmonella from the herps. I have seen this in petstores and swaps, where the parents buy the herps, and don't even get good husbandry info, let alone salmonella information.
As I see it, this problem could be eliminated if we could just get more ethical (and smarter) reptile sellers and dealers who educated as many people as they could about herps.
The treatment of eggs with iddine will not eliminate this problem alone. And if the herp community fails to take responsibility for it's own weak points, then the herp community will be under serious scrutiny next outbreak.
Just my opinion.
And I think PETA are a bunch of hyprocrites as well.
Dr A
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