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by Sassygurl on March 6, 2009
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This is for the genius tree-hugging know-it-alls who think this treatment of rattlesnakes is inhumane. I wonder how you'd feel if your 3 yr. old daughter was bitten while innocently playing in her grandmother's yard, as was a child I knew a few yrs. ago. I live in a rural area not far from Claxton and these snakes are nowhere near "exterminated" in the "wilderness".
My home is about as far out in the country as it gets and it's nothing to see one on or next to the front porch. In the warm weather I can't let my children run and play in the yard without worrying. When I was a child, they killed my grandmother's chickens and ate the eggs they had laid. They have killed my friends' family pets. You think I care about a rattlesnake's quality of life?! They crawl on their belly, they're animals, they're the bottom of the food chain! I bet you're one of those who want to "save the animals" yet you believe in abortion. You probably claim the Bible is a fiction book just to accomodate your lifestyle. Don't judge and criticize people you know nothing about.
I believe the Claxton Fruitcake industry will survive, even prosper, without you. Yep, we rednecks have done just fine so far. I'm a strong, intelligent, successful country girl just like MANY I know in this region, not anywhere near a "genetic throwback". Oh yeah, and by the way, "festible" is actually "festival", "doubtfull" is "doubtful" (one L), and "since" in the context it was used is actually spelled "sense". Now who's not so bright?
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by pictigaster1 on March 6, 2009
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Gee sassy girl I have always wanted to meet such an intelligent well spoken girl such as yourself you just simply amaze me.Perhaps we could get together and kill some of those evil snakes sometime.After that we could stomp some frogs and if were lucky slam a cat in a tree.I just can not wait.I will count the hours.
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by Sassygurl on March 6, 2009
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No, I'm fine with frogs and cats.(Very grown-up reply, by the way.) They are not a threat to my family's lives. I don't even care to hunt down a snake, but I'm not going to cry about a few of them dying. Nor am I going to judge and insult a bunch of people for their culture. I say find a worthy cause,like protecting humans, abused children or mistreated old people, before being so rude and critical about a snake, for crying out loud.
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by pictigaster1 on March 6, 2009
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You might find that many of us do volunteer for such causes .Most of us are against abortion.I my self believe very strongly in the bible.We both have misjudged .I have been involved in BACA.Bikers against child abuse.Protecting children that are in the hospital from abuse.When police can not.I have also worked in a drug treatment facility. Most of the people here hate animal rights activists and what they represent.I care about the treatment of wild life.The slaughter in mass of a species is just wrong.But I WANT YOU AND ME TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO HUNT.There is one spiritual principle we all should reexamine contempt prier to investigation............Thanks Archie.
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by AquaHerp on March 6, 2009
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For the record. Venom labs rarely if ever, pay for snakes. We certainly do not accept them from roundups. These snakes are usually sickly from mistreatment, will die in a matter of weeks from the effects of gassing and have no locale specifics.
It does not take hundreds of snakes for the production of anti-venom.
The roundup folks coming out of the woodwork here need to stop trusting in their own propaganda and actually get educated on the matter.
DH
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by pictigaster1 on March 6, 2009
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Its just like sweetwater .It should of been banned years ago.I heard of a round up some where they mark the local of every collected snake then put them back un harmed.Doug we live in Texas and our state is bad on roundups.
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by FLherp on March 7, 2009
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I wonder how many of these animals would actually be used for venom production? I think that is an argument used to legitimize the round-ups, but may be at odds with reality.
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by AquaHerp on March 7, 2009
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Oh yeah, we in Texas are the worst as far as these shameful roundups go.
Labs prefer to collect their own specimens. Type-locality is very important, even from county to county. No lab wants sickly, dehydrated and mishandled animals. If I have four employees and 500 snakes to deal with on a daily basis, I really can't be expending all of my energies into triage and life-support for sick and dying snakes. Granted we will treat those that are compromised, but I am in no way seeking out sick specimens. It goes against everything logical.
Venom collected at these round-ups is of no value either. The venom is pooled, rarely do labs want "pooled venoms' , the snakes are extracted from in a harsh manner by amateurs so most of the venom is filled with saliva, blood and other contaminants. It is done in a circus environment with no quality control. Would you want to know that Tylenol made their product at the local carnival instead of a laboratory? Rattlesnake venom is very unstable in the raw form. I don't see them taking these venoms over to the centrifuge and spinning out the contaminants. I don't see the freezer for freezing the venom at -80C. I don't see a lytholizer on hand either.
Simply saying that you are providing animals and venom for saving lives does not make it so. It does make a convenient cover story for the taking of animals and slaughter of these animals to put some cash in the pockets of a few.
DH
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by JHarrison on March 7, 2009
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Well said Doug. We have about 100 Crotalus adamanteus most were born here. We would only take captive born animals or animals collected by us or someone we trust. Round up's use the statement about antivenom to support their wholesale killing of these animals. More bites happen because people are catching and harassing the snakes. If there is a lack of antivenom at your hospital it is not because of lack of venom but because of the cost to purchase and stock Cro Fab. Example Wyeth Labs used 25 grams of Bothrops atox, 75 grams of Crotalus terrificus, 100 grams of Crotalus atrox and 100 grams of Crotalus adamanteus venom to make a one year supply of the old antivenom. With 100 animals I could make 100 grams in one month. Selling for $60.00 a gram the antivenom producers would not buy it from a non controlled rattlesnake round up. Also the FDA does have a say in drugs used on humans and if the company got venom from a roundup then the FDA has the right to inspect the provider. Does anyone really believe that the provider could pass inspection?
If you really release animals back into the wild then you are spreading disease and I doubt the animals are returned to the area they were found at. This would lead to them possibly dying.
Jim Harrison
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by FLherp on March 7, 2009
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I neglected to read some of the previous posts, in particular the opinions of southern girl, j2j, and sassygirl. In retrospect, it would probably have been better had I eschewed reading them.
Culture is fine, but in the context of the greater community in which you live you must realize that destructive behavior is destructive behavior. Couching your right to destroy wildlife in terms of preserving your culture or protecting your family is disingenuous at best. Perhaps we should cling to some of the other tenets of that esteemed culture - persecution of human minorities, prohibition of miscegenation, willful ignorance...As the good book says, "When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things." Perhaps it is time to lay this practice to rest as well, and take a more responsible, respectful and long-term view of the world in which you live.
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