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by Cro on June 23, 2008
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Zuzana, most snake hooks are "U" shaped.
However, snakes are also "U" shaped, and will slide through a hook of that shape fairly quickly.
A "V" shaped hook tends to press in a bit more against the ribs of a "U" shaped snake, and tends to slow them down a bit when they are crawling through a hook, and tends to keep them in place better when the hook is lifted off the ground, with the snake riding it.
I do not know of any websites or videos that show much on how to use snake hooks. That is something that is best learned by practice, practice, and more practice.
You have to anticipate the forward movement of the snake, and the balance point of the snake. Then you have to start lifting before the snake gets to that point on the hook, so that the snake will reach the balance point on the hook at the same time the hook is elevated off the ground.
That way, the natural fear of falling takes place, and the snake hopefully stops in place, and stays balanced.
You also have to know the habits of different kinds of snakes, and their balance points. That can only come with practice. Trying to hook some snakes is almost impossible, just because of their behavior. Other snakes can be hooked well with a bit of practice.
The best thing would be to get an experienced herper to show you how he uses a snake hook on several different types of snakes.
Hope this helps.
Best Regards John Z
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RE: Bikini-Rattlesnake Removal
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by tigers9 on June 23, 2008
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Thanks or the explanation.
I will stick with tongs for a while don't worry:)
If I get into hooks, I would practice on NON venomous first.
There is this non venomous snake in NV (other states too, anybody knows the name, I keep forgetting) it is supposed to be one of the fastest snakes here in NV or even USA. If I can get/hook that one I can do anything.
I saw it in cat cage last year, it was FAST skinny, 2-3 feet
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by 23bms on June 23, 2008
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You're fast snake might have been a Coachwhip. The Red Coachwhip, Masticophis flagellum piceus, occurs in southern NV. I'm not sure where you are, but that may be a possibility.
re tongs. A wide tong like the Gentle Giant works much better than the narrow ones in most cases. The snakes don't struggle as much and it gives them much better support. I always worry about injuring the animal with the narrow ones. The wide variety can be a problem with small snakes, however. I carry both types for that reason.
Most rattlers hook fairly well, but I agree with other posters that I wouldn't want to carry one very far that way, and there is a learning curve. Also, the technique can vary somewhat from snake to snake.
The tong and trash can idea has some merit. I use trash cans in my snake room when I have to remove someone for a serious cage cleaning. However, I can see where it would be a bit awkward dragging one out on the grounds somewhere in a sprawling area like yours. If you don't have to move the snakes very far, upgrading to a wide tong may be the best compromise.
BTW, I particularly liked the comments that may be summarized as, "Enjoy the scenery on the video, but don't come here. There are already too many people." I feel the same way about my little rural corner of PA. The Progressive Aging-Yuppie BosWash blight hasn't quite made it out here ... yet. I shudder every time I spot a BMW or Volvo on the local roads. I hope they're just lost.
jrb
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by 23bms on June 23, 2008
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That should have been "Your" instead of "You're" starting off the post. Premature senility, perhaps.
jrb
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by soberwolf on June 23, 2008
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Z The only problem I find with hooks is that the rattlesnakes tend to try to get away constantly and slip off the hooks easily. Some snakes like Corals tend too curl on a hook and are much easier. Shelby
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by SerpenXotics on June 24, 2008
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I love it this should be considered for a tv program I know it would keep me occupied for hours. Rattlesnakes and bikini's what more could we ask for.
Joe
P.S. looking real good Z
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by tigers9 on June 24, 2008
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You, u r right JRB, Coachwhip, was the fast snake.
U r right about new people moving in, we had lots of California city slickers moving to Pahrump, get some gov part time or full time jobs, or volunteer, and annoy us country old timers.
We have been fighting them regarding exotic ordinances, so far so good. We asked why would they try to regulate small 8 pound wild/domestic cat hybrids, answer was these cat s are carnivores. So we asked: so why do you have wallabies, chinchillas and elephants there in the draft?
Then this other guy worried about cobras, and I am like, well NV state pretty much bans them from private possession. Then I informed him that in south, flat, not rocky part of the valley where he lives he should be more worried about Mohave rattlesnake, and he is like. : “What is that and where does it live???”
And I am like, well Mr.CitySlicker, we r in Mohave desert and Mr. and Ms. Mohave Rattler live right HERE in your hood. These city slickers move to the country and have no clue about native wildlife, and worry about properly caged exotics while wild bobcats, panthers and rattlers are on their front porch eating their pets.
As for the BMV comment you reminded me of one joke:
Q: What is the difference between BMV and porcupine?
A: BMV has pricks on the inside.
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by 23bms on June 24, 2008
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Z,
I love the porcupine joke. I came across it on the SuperTopo forum under the heading, “ Jokes To Offend Everyone.”
BMW fans like to refer to their vehicles as “Beemers.” (In some cases “Beamers”, I’m not sure which is canonical. I assume some outraged afficionado will illuminate me.) I prefer to refer to them as, “Bummers.” Most apt considering the typical occupant.
If you are in Pahrump, I’ve been in that area. I’ve done some herping out of Death Valley in various directions, including the east, with classified results. A lot of times, the photography was better than the herps, but that is probably a function of when I was there.
I am of the opinion that a line, roughly corresponding to the San Andreas Fault, should be drawn, extended to include the San Francisco metropolitan area and certain sections of Oregon, the territory within which should, along with all its present and former inhabitants, be ejected from the United States. All former inhabitants of said zone who have relocated to such areas as Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah etc should be evicted from the United States and all their dwellings and residential subdivisions, wherever they may be in the thus truncated United States, should be razed. Immigration from said ejected zone should be banned for all eternity. Have you ever driven I-25 down the east side of the Colorado Front Range? It used to be miles of farmland broken by a few cities and towns. Now it is a one colossal California style suburb, from Fort Collins to Pueblo. Why? Californians. They got tired of the California floods, mud slides, earthquakes, wild fires, gangs, freeways etc so they packed up and recreated the whole disgusting southern California mess on the Front Range of the Rockies. I’d rather have a ten year plague of Mormon Crickets than a single ex-California family for neighbors.
Among the many hideously destructive rogue species of life on Earth, none is worse than Yuppus americanis californiensis. If any known form of life deserves extermination, that is it. Good luck with your yuppie neighbors. You’ll need it. As do I.
jrb
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by 23bms on June 24, 2008
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Cro:
I hadn't thought about it until you mentioned it, but now that I think about it, there IS a marked difference between U and V shaped hooks. In the field, I normally use a home made hook that is essentially a V. It really does work better on some snakes - I'm thinking of Copperheads in particular. I rarely use it in my hot room, but maybe I should try it on my N kauthia who's a nightmare on my U hooks. Couldn't possibly be any worse. Thanks for the observation.
jrb
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