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by LadyBloodRose on September 17, 2008
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As chuck says, I have way to much time on my hands (haha he's right lol!), but I enjoy being able to just sit or in this case lay an observe my snakes. Espiclay my hot's. Yesterday I laid in the floor in my snake room for 3 hours, observing an sketching a picture of my male Canebrake Rattlesnake which I affectionately call "Set".
Durring this time I observed him "asleep", waking, an even i belive dreaming. When he would be fully asleep, his pupil would compltely seem to vanish it became so thin, but when he would wake up which ws usualy with a start it would again widen out into its normal relaxed thin strip. He would shift his weight just slightly, rub his chin against part of his body an lay his head back down, which i figure is the same as us when we roll over lol. If you have ever watched your dog or cat dream, they ar generaly running etc, Set would ocassionaly just barely shift his rattles, the barest twitch enough that if you weren't paying close attention you wouldn't have noticed the sound at all.
has anyone else made any observations of their animals similarly?
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t193/lbr1/My%20Pets/S4023742.jpg
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by earthguy on September 17, 2008
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My horridus does yoga. No really, he spends most of his time in 'salutations to the sun'.
I like to observe all kinds of animals...but I have never had enough time to sit and watch any of my snakes for three hours...
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by LadyBloodRose on September 17, 2008
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Lol since Iam working on becomming a Tattoo Artist (doin crouses to get certified) - I have alota free time lol. I also usualy always have my camera with me to get pics or video I realy need ta get off my butt an post some of these pics on here lol
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by Cro on September 17, 2008
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Celeste, watching animals over a long time can reveal many interesting behaviors that are not often seen.
When I worked at the Atlanta Zoo, I would often spend hours sitting on a rail that overlooked the Seleariums where we had populations of breeding crocodiles.
The tourists would pass by and only see crocodiles that were sitting in one place, and apparently not moving, like bumps on a log, LOL.
However, by using long term observation, I was able to observe all types of behaverial reactions between the different crocodiles, and many, many individual behaviors.
It is a luxury to be able to spends hours watching one animal, but if you have the time and patience to do that, it will yeald all kinds of interesting information.
The idea that John posted in earlier threads about putting cameras into his reptile cages, so he could observe them without interference is also a excellent idea for that type of research.
Best Regards John Z
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by LadyBloodRose on September 17, 2008
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That thought (about the cameras) actualy crossed my mind, after i came acrosss ome nifty lil cameras on e-bay I wonder exactly how hard it would be do to something like that espiclay to observe night time behaviour since its been so warm I don't currently have any night lights running + I am also letting the temps be a bit cooler since I am hoping that the pair i have will breed. The camera Idea would be a great investment for that so I wouldn't have to poke my head in to see whats goin on an possibly disturb them ^_^.
While my male doesn't seem to mind any movement or anything new in the room, my female is of course typical in voicing her displeasure if i move to fast etc.
I've watched the pairs interactions togeather in the day but an have witnessed what I like to call "the lovers quarl" as the pair generaly is almost always togeather usualy with my mail coiled around my female with her head resting on his back. Ocassionaly she will leave him an stay away at one end of the enclosure under a peice of driftwood an leave him on his own, but after a few days they seem to make up, espiclay if i have to do anything in the cage. She will retreat to him where ever he is an take up a position with him between us which is something else I find intresting espiclay since they are generaly considered non social animals.
I may simply read to much into what I see, but its how it seems to me.
Also The responces they have toward anyone other then me in the room itself. Weither interacting with them or just steping into the doorway. such as with my male Cane, he is normaly quiet, inquizitive an is more then happy if i lay in the floor an hes not preoccupied with napping lol to come to the front as close as he can to see what I am doing, when feeding day comes around he is the one which I hook an place in a seperate container to feed, I'm a bit paranoid about the whole accidentaly eating the other thing lol. So I don't risk it an seperate them. If my Bf is in the room set tends to be ancy an a bit stubborn almost to the point of agitated an will give me a bit of difficulty when i hook him compared to if trey were to remain out in the hall. Even when not taking him out an treys in the room he becomes anxious an a bit defensive. However if trey stays out an I go to work with him, then he's alm an doesn't give me a bit of trouble.
It's the same if i talk to him or if i am quiet. lol lord knows treys come back there to check on me an i'll be streached out in the floor watching them carrying on a one sided conversation lol.
Also observing my hots in this manner gives me a chance to memorize markings etc. Since unlike my non-venomous I can'y exactly take them out every day an give them a full hands on examination for anything that could be wrong. :)
I've never understood people who prety much rush threw a zoo an never spendmore then just a few moments at an enclosure. I like to take my time an observe as much as i can an take in details to the best of my abilities. the last time i got to sit an watch some crocadillians I was prety young, probly around 10 maybe, we had taken a trip to lousiana an had gone out on one of the swamp tours. Our guide was a Cajun, who took out out on this beautiful old style river boat, an he parked us deep out in the swamp against a bank for about 2 hours, an we got the chance to watch nature around us. He even played his acordian an sang for us haha! it was neat watching the gators around us not just their reaction to a familar boat, because after about 30 min they realized they ween;t gona get fed so they moved off but their interactions with one anouther. I got the chance to for the first time watch to big bulls trying to intimidate one anouther by arching their heads an tails an slaping the water. Now that was neat!
Hope my spellin aint to bad in this tried to skim over it lol.
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by theemojohnm on September 17, 2008
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Celeste,
Very interesting experience I'm sure. I used to keep all of my snakes in an outfoor building (heated during winter months) adjacent to my house.
I ran very basic black and white surveillance cameras to a view of my snake enclosures. I ran them a very short distance through a wall in my bedroom, and hooked them up to a basic, small, color-tube tv.
I have noticed even are US native species do some very strange things that most have not heard of before. As still or unnoticeable you try to stay in the snakeroom, the animals defenietly seem to be able to tell.
I tryed to observe the same behaviors after lying still of the floor of the snakeroom somtimes for hours, with nothing.
Of course, not every cage could be hooked up with one of these cameras, although for one or two, they are fairly inexpensive. (Walmart electronics section! LOL). It was allways amazing to me what the animals did when no-one was in the room, and that they were smart enough to know EXACTLY when that was.
And, mostly, these moniter cameras were used to peer into larger, natural planted exhibits I had setup to give more of an idea of some natural behaviors (courting, feeding, stalking, drinking, etc.).
I used to keep some rambling, incomplete note of what I observed from each species every week, but I only still have bits and pieces of those note which should have been more detailed to start.
I saved many of the video tapes I used to be able to play back on a VCR. Well, VCR's are basically non-existant now, the the one I have barely works.
But I have some VERY interesting stories if your ever interested.
I tryed this a few times in a few outdoor setups too. But of course, the animals were still "contained" to some degree. But it was interesting to watch them during a rain, or basking under natural light.
And one of the more amazing sites to me at least, pertaining to your post, was watching the "canes" and northern Timbers basking in natural sunlight. Apparently asleep for hours, with the occasional change of position.
Well, thats my ramble for today. LOL.
Take Care.
~John.
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by theemojohnm on September 17, 2008
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Whoops.. LOL !
I completely missed the lasts few posts before posting myself. Yes, they are fairly inexpensive to setup.
Lay in bed while reading a book, and watch your snakes! Very interesting experience.
I could probably write a few books with all the observations I recorded, although I kinda cheated the note-taking a little.
I posted my exact methods somewhere before, but I dont remeber where....
Oh, I think I do know.. ;)
Anyways, I did setup a few outdoor enclosures too, and at least tryed to explain in full the methods I used in another post.
Take Care.
~John.
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by LadyBloodRose on September 17, 2008
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John feel free to sendme a e-mail or post here if you like i would definately love to read any of your stories :D. I knwo whatcha mean about knowing weither you are there or not lol it's amazing exactly how tiny a vibration they can sence.
Ya know I think I knwo which cameras you used lol ir ember good ol wally world had some a lilw hile back that were prety cheap i thought about getin some back then but didn't haha seems i should have huh?
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by agkistrodude on September 18, 2008
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Allot of people don't understand how I can sit in a tree stand for hours during deer season. But a big part of it is watching whats around me. I could write a book on the stuff I've watched over the years.Last season I watched a mother bobcat sit down about 10 feet from my tree while her 2 kittens played and "stalked" each other, It went on for probably 30 minutes before they finally walked off. But all kids of things, Hawks and owls landing a few yards away from you, bears, coyotes,deer, foxes, They're all fun to watch when they don't know your there. Marty
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by LadyBloodRose on September 18, 2008
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lol I hear ya there Marty. I had ta miss hunting last season problyg ona have to miss hunting this season to -_- which realy sucks.
Year before Last I rember sitin up in my stand an watched this beautiful red fox come up the firebrake, after a moment youc oudl just hear this awful racket, sounded like several deer on the move in the leaves, well once the fox after takin its time sliped off behind me outa sight, this line of 6 puppies came from the way the fox had noses to the ground, the moment they got in the clearing ebteen the firebrakes they sniffed out the trail. thatthe fox had left them. these pups had to be somethin like 3 months old haha the fox was training the future generation of huntin dogs!
I got to see my first Indigo snake while I was huntin to. it was soo tempting to catch it had to make myself leave it alone.
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