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Proof a venomoid can become venomous again!
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by GaryOrner on October 15, 2008
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Guess what. My friends at the KY Reptile Zoo has this video that I will be posting. 2 out of three venomoid cobras that turn out to produce venom again. Number one thing I have been told by venomoid supporters is that I have no proof when I say they are the unloaded gun. That I have no proof they can become hot again. Well nothing like venom coming from a void for the proof.
I ask them again. Do you trust your life to a vet?
VENOM from a venomoid!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrWhb7EBVsA
This video is a huge part in venomoid research and glands being repaired if any is left behind. If you have a void do you feel safe now?
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by Cro on October 15, 2008
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Gary, thanks for posting the video.
Trusting a vet to correctly remove venom glands is bad enough, but what about the "hack" jobs that are done by folks who are not even vets ?
Venomoids are bad news, for many, many reasons.
Best Regards John Z
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by Crotalusssp on October 15, 2008
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I have never and will never be a supporter of any kind of venomoid. I did not need the proof, but I hope it will discourage future surgery or mishandling by "people".
Charles
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by pitbulllady on October 15, 2008
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It needs to be remembered that there are different "degrees", if you will, of venomoids. Many venomoids have only been subjected to "ductectomies", which means the venom ducts have been severed and ligated, while others have had total removal of the venom glands. A good analogy would be a vet performing a vasectomy on one male dog, and castrating another. Both will, in theory, prevent the dogs from reproducing, but the first dog will still produce sperm, and the chance always exists that the vasectomy will fail, and the vas deferens will heal back together, allowing the dog once again to sire puppies. The same thing can and often does happen with snakes that have been only given a partial gland removal or only a ductectomy. That snake has been producing venom all along. With the number of "hack jobs" performed, it's not surprising that a lot of "venomoids" have only had a ductectomy or only had one gland removed, leaving them still capable of producing venom, and that would especially be true if the person performing the surgery was trying to avoid that "shrunken head" head look on the snake, which is a dead give-away it's a venomoid.
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by GaryOrner on October 15, 2008
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These animals had the shrunken head which is often seen when glands are removed. Point being if any galnd is missed it can repair it and become hot.
Vets are human they can make mistakes. And this is a deadly one
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by LadyBloodRose on October 15, 2008
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Yea i watched that video last night an sent it to viperkeeper, since he just rescued that king that looks to be a venomoid.
I would NEVER trust a Venomoid no mater which version of the procedure is done! Its like the jackoffs that clip their snakes fangs so that they can free handel them. Its just not safe, an frankly its worse then playing russian roulette. I'd take my chances with a loaded gun.
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by Cro on October 15, 2008
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Glands that have been removed can, and do, sometimes come back.
There are many instances in humans who have had their tonsils ( a gland ) removed, and those tonsils grew back.
Salamanders can loose a leg or tail, and generate a new one.
Lizards can loose a tail, and grow a new one.
Humans have lost fingers, and generated new ones. This has especially happened in children, where the growth factors were still working. Adults can not usually do that.
The body of any animal has an "instruction set" built in, that is designed for repair. Just because a vet can remove a complete venom gland, does not mean that that gland can not grow back. What is needed is triggering the instruction set that grew that gland in the first place.
In the example of the castration mentioned above, even that might be reversed, if the growth factors in the body that first created the organ, were somehow turned on again.
Best Regards John Z
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by tj on October 15, 2008
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"I ask them again. Do you trust your life to a vet?"
I'm gonna play devil's advocate for a second. While I hate the procedure myself, is there any proof these were done by an actual licensed vet?
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by Rob_Carmichael on October 15, 2008
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That's actually a very important question that would need to be answered if this were an authentic scientific study. For the purpose of this video, though, I think the point is that many of these supposed "venomoids" sold are indeed done by hatchetmen w/out veterinary knowledge or qualifications of proper procedures and as such, "produce" animals that can become a smoking gun.
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by GaryOrner on October 15, 2008
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The person that did the surgery is not known.
I ask for the people asking me if these were done by a vet this.
Are Vets perfect? They can not make a mistake? Doctors make mistakes and are sued. Some thinks doctors mess up on kill their patient.
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