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by Buzztail1 on December 30, 2008
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John, there is one more parasite that you didn't list that seems to making a comeback.
Tongueworms are actually members of arachnidae for which there is no known cure with the possible exception of surgery and manual removal which has debatable results. They are usually found in recently imported tropical snakes with the most common species that I recall being found in African Viperidae (mostly Bitis).
I had not even heard of tongueworms in years until someone sent me a picture recently.
I use the book:
PRINCIPLE DISEASES OF LOWER INVERTEBRATES DISEASE OF REPTILES by Dr. H. Reichenbach-Klinke and Dr. E. Elkan published by t.f.h. in 1965.
Also, I have found Melissa Kaplan's page on reptile treatments to be useful:
http://www.anapsid.org/resources/rxdose.html
I hope this information proves to be useful.
R/
Karl
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by Cro on December 30, 2008
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Karl,
Thanks for the update on tongueworms. Gosh, I had not heard of those in ages. I wonder if folks importing Bitis are bringing them in from new areas of Africa that have more of a problem with them?
Removing parasites by hand from the mouth of a Gaboon Viper does not sound like much fun at all.
The Reichenbach-Klinke book is still a very good reference, and does turn up on occasion at reptile shows or on Amazon.
That is also a nice med sheet that you posted the link to.
The more information available to a keeper, the better.
Best Regards and Happy New Year.
John Z
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by Buzztail1 on December 30, 2008
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I hadn't heard of tongueworms since the late 70's.
I was truly amazed to see a picture of one recently.
They actually infest the lungs and by the time they are noticeable in the mouth, it is generally too late to save the animal. One of the interesting things about tongueworms is that they go through stages of development in other animals and infestation of reptiles occurs through eating carrier animals (such as birds). I love good references and I still like and collect the older books.
Newer ones seem to be less complete in their coverage of things. An example would be "Common parasites and diseases of reptiles and amphibians". (I don't know if such a tome exists - it is just a made-up example) Since tongueworms are no longer common, they would not necessarily be covered and the book would be useless for diagnostic research in this particular case.
Thanks for the kind words.
I have had to learn an awful lot of things the hard way and am just trying to help make it easier for the next guy/gal.
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Karl
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by puffadder7 on December 31, 2008
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replying to marty, will the panacur hurt the snake if the snake does not have parasites, or could i do it just to make sure, anyone can awnser, thanks arin
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by agkistrodude on December 31, 2008
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No, the Panacur won't hurt the snake.Its allot safer than most of the other drugs.Dose 25-50mg/kg or 10-20 mg/lb.Then again in 7 days. What is it your treating? Are parasites an actual problem? Allot of folks would question treating an animal that doesn't really need it and tell you to take a fecal sample to a vet first.Personally I treat mine once a year and anything new I bring in. Wild caught snakes will always have parasites.And they can live healthy lives with them, its when you bring it into a captive environment that problems arise. I still recomend the book I mentioned earlier.Its only about 70 or 80 pages long and has a ton of info in it.Take care, Marty
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by FSB on December 31, 2008
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Great thread, w/ lots of useful info and references. Can we do one on viruses next?
I think you can safely assume that wild caught imports are going to have parasite loads, but I agree with Marty and others that it's best to get a fecal done first so you know what, if anything, you're dealing with, rather than just blanketing everything with Panacur.
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