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by pitbulllady on February 3, 2009
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Uhm, ALA-Snake, were the five dogs you mentioned by any chance wearing their registration papers stating that they were American Pit Bull Terriers? It's ironic that people who keep controversial animals themselves(snakes, I assume), are so quick to condemn another group of animals. For some reason, many people in our society have become so indoctrinated that there are there four-legged monsters out there, called "pit bulls", that every dog they see running loose, especially if the dogs do something threatening or perceived as threatening, suddenly become "pit bulls". It's very much analogous to the average person calling every snake they see a "rattlesnake" or "water moccasin" when it shows up in their yard. 99% of the "poisonous" snakes I go remove from people's houses or property are NOT venomous at all, and about that same percentage of dogs I see on the evening news and in the paper, after they bit or attacked a person or cat(yes, dogs going after cats make headline news now)look NOTHING like an American Pit Bull Terrier, even though they're inevitably labeled that. If my father's Pug got out and ran towards someone, SOMEBODY would swear he was a "pit bull"! I'm not saying those dogs you had problems with aren't dangerous, but the chances of their being five purebred APBT's running in a pack, or five purebred anythings, are slim. Please don't fall into the "Rattlesnake Syndrome" of assuming every stray dog you see is a "pit bull". Unless you see registration documentation proving them as such, they're just stray dogs. We're battling hatred and ignorance just like reptile keepers are, and irresponsible owners of both hurt us badly, but so does things like calling every dog that barks or bites or knocks over a trash can a "pit bull". It's no different that the newspaper showing a photo of a Ball Python with headlines screaming, "Snakes like THIS can eat your kids!"
Sharon McKenzie
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by Cro on February 3, 2009
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Sharon, because you raise the critters, I can understand you standing up for American Pit Bull Terriers.
However, I do not agree that most people label "any" stray dog a Pit Bull, most people are smarter than that, and know a fair amount about various breeds of dogs, and can often put a dog into a "group" like spaniels, shepherds, Labradors, etc.
That is where the problem comes in, as there are a "group" of dogs out there, that are very popular in the Southern states, and those dogs as a group are what I would call "Bulldog Mixed Breeds."
Sure some dogs with a "bulldog look" are fancy pure bred AKC registered APBT's, but many, if not most of them are mixes of American Pit Bull Terrier, American Bulldog, Bull Mastiff, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Valley Bulldog, and who knows what else.
The thing is though, that the "Bulldog Look" shines through, and for all practicle purposes many of these dogs that have bulldog of some sort in them, and are called pit bulldogs by the general public, as they know those dogs are in the bulldog group.
And for all practicle purposes, many of those dogs are the ones that are mostly involved in attacks.
The rednecks that own those dogs all call them pit bulls, no matter what the ancestery is. It is more of an attitute the rednecks have, about keeping a nasty tempered dog with a bulldog like look, than it is about a dog with a specific AKC pedigree.
Folks who keep those types of dogs are for the most part rednecks, who want dogs that they can call pitbulls, and they use them to keep folks from bothering them, and they use them to create the illusion that they are safe or bad azzes, as they have a bunch of pitbull dogs running around.
Anyway Sharon, it is too late for your wish to seperate your AKC dogs from the dogs with "bulldog like" features, as it is too well established in the Southern States. Any dog that has a bulldog look "is" a pit bulldog, and there is no amount of wishfull thinking that will change that.
The only thing that will save you folks, is to keep your dogs locked up, and keep them from getting out and running around in others property.
It does not help if we allow football "heros" to fight those dogs, then get a "get out of jail free card" just because they are mega wealthy, and know how to throw a football.
In the South, ANY dog that has enough Bulldog in it to look bulldog like, is going to be labeled as a pit bulldog, wether it has fancy AKC papers or not.
Best Regards
John Z
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by ALA_snake33 on February 3, 2009
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Sharon
I do know what a Pitt Bull looks like, my older brother breeds and has for some time this very breed of Dog.
As for me not falling into the Misinterpretation of a breed of Dog, I am not one to do this. I may not be the Sharpest Tool in the shed, but I do have the knowledge to know what I see with my own eyes, especially when its baring its teeth at me and chasing me into the house. This being said, I have nothing against someone keeping APBT's as long as they keep the animal on a leash. Tell me, if you had a temperamental Pitt Bull, would you let it run free in your neighborhood? I would hope not.
I should take your comment as being Rude and inconsiderate, but if I did I would only be falling into the trap, so I wont go that far.
If by chance you didn't noticed the danger is not only to me, but my little boy also. And when it comes to him, I care less about hurting someones feelings.
Not trying to start trouble here JohnZ but, I am defending my self against people with one frame minds.
Be Safe Ya'll, Happy Herping : Wally
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by Cro on February 3, 2009
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You are not making trouble Wally.
Your concern for protecting your son from being attacked by a dog that belongs to your irresponsible neighbors is the most important thing there is.
If I walk out my door and am threatened by a dog on MY property, I am thankfull that someone invented 00 buckshot and 12 guage Remington 870 Pump Shotguns.
And I do not care if the dog that is on my property, and growling at me has some fancy AKC papers or not.
And I do not care about the neighbors feelings who let it run loose.
I will solve the problem.
And I am also thankfull that I own a backhoe.
Best Regards
John Z
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by tigers9 on February 3, 2009
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So the real issue is NOT the species of the dog, but the fact teh dog is running at large, right?
Z
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by Cro on February 3, 2009
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Right Zuzana. Many dogs have the potential to be dangerous, if they run wild. It does not matter if they are Shepherds, Pit Bulls, or Chiwawas.
Running loose, and especially in a pack, they revert back to their instincts that cause them to attack a animal or person that runs from them.
The people are at fault, as they produce the dogs, and they have the responsibility to keep up with them.
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John Z
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by Rob_Carmichael on February 4, 2009
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The bottom line is that dogs on the loose do as much harm to all breeds just as any snake on the loose, venomous or non-venomous does for the reptile hobby - in the case of reptiles, though, the situation is much more dire. Bottom line is that irresponsible owners endanger everyone from hobbyists, to breeders to the general public who fear letting their loved ones play outside. And as far as the retic on the loose goes, if I lived in that area and had small kids and dogs, you can betcha that I'd have them indoors or in my sights at all times. Pythons revert back to their "wild state" very quickly once on the loose and a python of this size is a real threat to human safety (sorry, hate to say it but that's the truth). Try to free handle any burm you catch in the Everglades...these former puppy dogs will delightfully introduce themselves to you with a mouth full of teeth.
Not sure if there's a point here but there you go.
Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center
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by pitbulllady on February 4, 2009
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Thank you, John Z. Free-ranging dogs can be dangerous and breed doesn't matter. As for someone being able to positively identify a pack of "pit bulls" based on appearance, think again. I've bred and owned excellent specimens of this breed for nearly 30 years, and had developed my own bloodline over many generations, and I was mentored closely by some of the top breeders and judges of the breed. BUT, I've been fooled. I've seen dogs of known ancestry, which included NO APBT at all, which I would have sworn were purebreds! I know many UKC judges who've been fooled by mongrel dogs, too, so if WE can be fooled, anyone can. Bottom line, don't assume that if a dog has short hair and a muscular build, that it's a Pit Bull Terrier, or is even part APBT. This is one of the many problems with BSL. Calling a dog a "pit bull" doesn't make it an American Pit Bull Terrier, when that term has come to mean virtually any dog that does something bad, regardless of appearance, anymore than calling a chair a school bus means you can carry kids to school in it. A bunch of dogs running loose is just a a bunch of dogs. Unless they're carrying their registration papers, they are, for all practical intent and purposes, just mutts. The media sensationalizes anything involving dogs, just like it does with snakes, to appeal that "rubber-neckers-at-a-car-wreck" mentality.
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