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by soulstealer9y0l on March 9, 2009
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Made this video for my youtube channel, a friend liked it and said i should put it here. I made this because a 14 year old kid with only one years experience of snake ownership had convinced his mom to purchase him a hot snake at the next reptile show, and he was quite ignorant and wouldnt listen to a thing I told him. So i thought i would frighten him with a visual aid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XxBSpfUT2U
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by crocodile_jason on March 10, 2009
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Very awsome video. I feel for ya I run into people like this all the time, most of them are punk teens that wanna show off but like you said they really have no clue what they are messing with and how very dangerous it can be.
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by TheFifthDay on March 10, 2009
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I like it. It gets the point across.
I know that if that kid talked to someone younger (no offense) he would change his mind faster.
For some reason kids at that age like to listen to someone just a couple years older than themselves. I think it is because most kids at that age think that they are the smart ones, and that the older, more responsilbe people are the ones that aren't so bright.
I don't think this at all. I love hearing advice from the keepers that have been in this hobby for a little while.
All in all; your video should change some peoples minds.
Jon Short
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by AquaHerp on March 10, 2009
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Very well done.
I was talking to a kid this weekend with half a finger due to a copperhead bite. Remember the copperheads...the beginner hot that can't hurt ya?
The other thing people tend to forget is that even if the antivenom does save your life it will not reverse tha damage that is already done before the juice is administered.
DH
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by Cro on March 10, 2009
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Don, I think you have done a good job of producing a video that could serve to scare some youngsters from keeping venomous snakes. Photos of fasciotomies can sure get attention. Hopefully it will cause some young folks to have second thoughts before they buy or catch a venomous snake to keep.
However, you state that the 14 year old that you made the video for still wants to keep venomous snakes.
If it is true that he thinks that all is involved in a venomous snake bite is a simple injection of antivenom to fix the problem, then the kid should not be keeping venomous snakes, as that is not what happens at all.
If, however, he is one of the folks who at age 14 who has a real passion for venomous keeping, and truely knows the risk, and has his parents permission to keep venomous reptiles in locked enclosures, in a locked room, that is a different thing entirely. Some young folks at that age are quite capable of safely keeping native venomous snakes like copperheads or pygmy rattlsnakes. Some at that age are not capable.
But, some at age 26, or 36, or 46 are still not capable of safely keeping venomous snakes.
It bothers me some to see 20 year olds calling teens who want to keep venomous snakes punks. And it bothers me to see folks saying they will keep a bed open in the hospital for the sure bite.
The fact is that some folks at age 14 are capable of keeping venomous snakes safely, and some are not. I know nothing about the kid involved in this discussion, but I do agree with Jon Short that many youngsters will not listen to the advise of old farts, but will listen to the advise of venomous keepers who are just a bit older than them.
Perhaps that is due to too many of the old farts saying that youngsters should not keep venomous snakes at all ?
I would be a hypocrite if I were to say that, as I was once one of those kids who was keeping venomous snakes at a young age. And there are many others out there besides myself.
I remember what it was like being a young venomous reptile keeper, and perhaps that is why I frequently get calls from younger keepers, because I do remember.
Way too many adults just say something like youngsters should not keep venomous snakes. That is a great pat answer that gets them off the hook. However, it does nothing for the young keepers who are going to keep venomous snakes at an early age anyway. If that is the case, I think we should educate them to be safe.
So, Don, I would suggest that you encourage this young herper you made the video for to visit this site, and learn what he can. And I encourage you to mentor him in safe reptile keeping. And I encourage you to keep trying to teach him just how bad a venomous snake bite can be. Just do not abandon him, if he did not pay heed to your video. The video will surely help others. But you can still help set this young fellow on the safe keeping path if you work at it.
Best Regards
John Z
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by soulstealer9y0l on March 11, 2009
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You know what John, I fully agree. There are some younger keepers who are capable of keeping hots. I was one of those people myself, (I started at the age of 16) But this kid is far from what you could consider a proper candidate. At 14, he has only kept snakes of any kind for ONE YEAR now. I don't know about you, but in my eyes there is no way one can be experienced enough to even consider owning a hot in that short amount of time. And the 3 snakes he has kept in that time frame are hardly what you could call "good practice snakes" before entering the world of venomous. All he has kept is a ball python, burmese python, and amazon tree boa. He thinks that his burmese python that has a strong feeding response has adequately prepared him to keep venomous because he can feed it without being bit. And because he can feed things without getting bit, he thinks he has the ability to read snakes. Even more frustrating however that despite the fact he thinks is is great in all of these areas he is very uneducated. Last night, a friend of mine had a crack at trying to talk some sense into this kid, and while doing so reccomended that he try keeping some very nasty colubrids before getting anything venomous. And his response was, "what is a colurbid?" Even worse is his lack of desire to learn things for himself. My freind, despite being quite taken aback by the whole "whats a colubrid" thing (as was i) explained it to him and reccomended he do some resaerch on them. The kids reply was, "why research it myself when you can tell me right now," I mean come on, if you are this jaded, stubborn, and lazy, there is no way that you should be keeping hots. It is a recipe for disaster that will not only end up hurting the kid, it will hurt us all in the long run as well. When it reaches the media that a 14 year old kid was bitten by the venomous snake that his mother purchased for him, things will start getting banned left and right, and I have no desire for that to happen.
-Don Davis
P.S: I am not one of those old farts of which you speak. I am only 20
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