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by Aithne on September 16, 2009
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I've heard conflicting reports on venom, and how to keep these guys. I've been looking around for a few days and it seems there's just no information for them.
We were also told they are fairly mild (little worse than a hognose) as far as venom goes, but I've seen conflicting reports putting them next to Acanthropis
We were also told to keep them like we would keep a California Kingsnake in our area (Our temps are usually 70-77 at night, 75-82 in the day for spring summer and early fall months)
The pair we got in seem very alert, and very curious and have displayed no aggressive or defensive behavior, just extraordinary amounts of curiosity
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by Aithne on September 16, 2009
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It sorta helped, unfortunately I am not subscribed to that site, so I can't view any more than that.
Thanks though, appreciate it!
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by Aithne on September 16, 2009
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actually editing my comment.. I was in early morning retardedness for a second.. that helped a lot, actually.. so it seems there's just a -lot- of unknown information about these guys? Shame, they're pretty beautiful
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by Crotalusssp on September 16, 2009
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Also depending on your intended spelling. Acranthopis is a Dumerils Boa. Acanthophis is the genus of Death Adders. Your spelling was some variation between the two. Assuming you mean Acanthophis. I would be suspicious of any report that a Cat-eyed snake was a venomous as a Death Adder. I may be and have been wrong in the past. I believe Dr. Wuster has graduate students working on data for envenomation by Colubrid's. Perhaps an email to him would shed more light for you. As with many rear-fanged snakes, the delivery system is the weak link. The venom may be much more toxic then believed. You may also want to check venomdoc.com. Dr. Fry has worked with and has photos of Telescopus dhara on his site. Click on Colubrids on the left side of page. Good luck.
Charles
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by Aithne on September 16, 2009
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I am very sorry, and yes I meant the death adders.. seems like I missed an h there at the end. Thanks for catching that. How would I get a hold of this student? I am a bit new in venomous reptiles, I only have experience with my Redtail, ball python and Cal Kings as far as snakes go in my collection, and I want to take care of these cat snakes.
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by Crotalusssp on September 16, 2009
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I would imagine others here have had experience keeping these snakes and will chime in anytime. If not Dr. Brian Fry has worked with and kept them. So an email to him may get you the information you need as far as care. You can contact him through his website.
http://www.venomdoc.com/
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by Aithne on September 16, 2009
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Seems like these guys are a bit on the rare in collections side..
Appreciate the help, a lot
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by CAISSACA on September 16, 2009
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The venom neurotoxicity is in fact on a par with death adder venom. However, toxicity alone doesn't mean much: the volume is much smaller, the fangs are small and at the back of the mouth, and despite the fact that Telescopus species are widespread and not particularly rare across Africa and the Middle East, I have never heard of a serious case of envenoming from one. My student Laurence Goosey's project unearthed a single dry bite by a T. fallax.
Commonsense precautions should be more than adequate: don't let them bite you, definitely do not handle them after you have handled potential food items (lizards, small mammals), and if one does bite you, pull it straight off you without worrying about its teeth or your lacerations. I would certainly strongly advise against letting kids play with them unsupervised.
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by Aithne on September 16, 2009
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Thank you very much for your information.. I was most worried about their venom since well, these guys would be our first venomous and there's little information about them, probably a dumb on our part though. They seem amazingly calm, and curious though.
So they are very neurotoxic? Mind if I ask what symptoms I should look for and does it mean a medical emergency if one does happen to bite. You said potent venom but along with small yield and small fangs does that not make them as dangerous as say one of the Boiga species with reported fatalities?
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