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by tigers9 on January 22, 2010
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'Quarantine' is a 'funny' subject, think about mammals, only rabies vaccine is required. So when u adopt a mammal from shelter, it might have gotten some shots, but if it is their 1st shot/vaccination ever, it will not protect them. Now, how many pet people who already have a dog or cat at home and bring in a shelter animal do quarantine???
OR, if u come to show and people handle your animals /herp and then next table, etc, and then unsold ones u bring home, do u quarantine them because now they have been handled by folks who handled many other animals at show?
What i am getting at, disease danger with captive bred animals seems over rated.
Personally, only thing I ever got was ringworm from chinchilla in almost 25 or so years of dealing with exotics, starting with wild caught monitors and turtles..
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by BGF on January 22, 2010
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You are being blithely ignorant about the important of quarantine. Your mammal analogy is a non-sequiter since you are talking about captive bred animals. As opposed to wild caught mixing in with captive bred. Plus, reptile diseases often have much longer latent period than mammalian, due to the slower metabolism. Thus, there is a much wider window where they are without obvious symptoms but still highly infective. This is particularly important for insidious viruses such as paramyxovirus.
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by BGF on January 22, 2010
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>OR, if u come to show and people handle your animals /herp and then next table, etc, and then unsold ones u bring home, do u quarantine them because now they have been handled by folks who handled many other animals at show?
If you are halfway cluey the answer is a resounding YES! Indeed, bargains can be often obtained at the end of the herp shows by smart vendors who will sell their remaining stock at low prices so as to not have to bring them home and quarantine them all over again. These are the sorts of sellers that are good to buy from since they are obviously disease aware so are much more likely to have healthy stock to begin with.
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by AquaHerp on January 23, 2010
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I agree with everything BGF has said. I can't even begin to touch on the importance of quarantine, especially in the lower vertebrates. Mites can be picked up most anywhere and easily dealt with. OPMV or crypto will devastate your collection and the best you can do is get comfortable in your front row seat.
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by BGF on January 23, 2010
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>Personally, only thing I ever got was ringworm from chinchilla in almost 25 or so years of dealing with exotics, starting with wild caught monitors and turtles..
While that is wonderful and all, it is completely irrelevant. Zoonotic diseases are not the concern but rather reptile-to-reptile transmission.
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by Rob_Carmichael on January 23, 2010
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We try to adhere to 60-90 day quarantine periods - you can never be too safe when it comes to guarding your collection from possible disease transmission....crypto, paramyxo, those diseases sends chills up my spine and no way would I want to take any chances. We are going to be creating two quarantine rooms (unattached) very soon: one will be for those animals who have completed at least 60 days with negative fecals and blood work (and then go through an addiional 30 day period before being transferred, or, put on exhibit), and the other quarantine for new, incoming animals. This way, when we get to the latter stages, and have a new animal come in, we don't have to expose those who have just about completed quarantine with a sick animal. Bryan and Doug nailed it on the head.
As far as the stunts go, Don's a nice guy whose got a job that sure beats being in the office. If it brings some level of positive perception towards herps, great, even though its a very sensationalized stunt that's only being done for AP ratings and one that I don't condone. It serves little to no advancement of science - that's done in the lab and the field under proper protocols. Heck, I'd rather see TV footage of Bryan trashing one of his many rental cars in the fied!:-)
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by tigers9 on January 23, 2010
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BGF, AquaHerp, please reread my post, I wrote this : "What i am getting at, disease danger with captive bred animals seems over rated"
The key is captive bred. I never said to throw freshly wild caught stock inside your valuable collection.
I stared in reptiles about 25 years ago, and majority of what I got back then were wild caught exotic monitors lizards and chelonians.
Trust me, I know very well what the wild ones had inside them. I spent lots of money getting rid of all kinds of creatures from their stomachs and under theirs skins ( prasinus).
I was lucky to have a great veterinarian, i was living in California at the time, and my ex veterinarian now works at Monterey Aquarium.
I had some stuff published in then tiny publication called VARENEWS, before Internet,... I can not longer find it online, used to be on varanidae.org, but I have my paper copies, so I might just scan it and post it here. I also had many nonviable egg deposited form my wild Mangroves back in 1992-3, also published in ARANEWS. I am not some idiot who doesn’t have a clue what quarantine is, all I said it was over-rated with captive stock. But that doesn’t change anything about me dealing worth more reptiles than mammals in my life, most reptiles being of wild backgrounds, and the fact remains all I ever got was ringworm.
Yes, all my mammals are captive bred. However , we live out in the country, with wild reptiles, birds, insects and mammals entering our animals cages or being near, some of our wolf hybrids came to us from shelter after being picked up by animal control as starys, so our captive animals do interact with wild ones. When u live in the middle of the desert, you cannot avoid interacting with the native ones.
But I am very happy BGF wrote this: <<While that is wonderful and all, it is completely irrelevant. Zoonotic diseases are not the concern but rather reptile-to-reptile transmission>>.
Many exotic bans are nowadays passed because our enemies claim exotics will give diseases to humans, so I am glad to read the truth from experts, that really reptile to human disease is not a major issue, if it was, I would be a walking storage tank for reptile diseases by now. .
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by tigers9 on January 23, 2010
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Rob_C wrote <<As far as the stunts go, Don's a nice guy whose got a job that >>
Rob, U r right, he seems like a nice guy and many here know him personally, which makes it harder to criticize the show if one is Dan’s friend,
But at times we need to separate personal and professional, and say it as it this, no sugar coating:
the stunt SUCKS and stinks more than the VENOM room would if it wasn’t cleaned at the end of the stunt.
I couldn’t believe nobody corrected the crowd when Dan got his daily snake bag, took out harmless African mole snake and crowd started screaming hysterically MAMBA MAMBA MAMBA.
At the time I had no clue what the snake was, but I knew it was NOT mamba, all I said to the crowd was that it was too damn fat to be mamba.
But there was no education, just perpetuating perception that pretty snakes are venomous.
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