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by tigers9 on January 23, 2010
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Back in late 1980s and early 1990s when I was heavily into mostly wild caught reptiles (as not many were avalable captive bred 20 years ago), I had a very strict disease management and record keeping regimen.
I still have many reptiles from that time, I jsut have big cats now as well, but I never stopped being a reptile owner. Anyway, here are the VARANEWS articles from different years, prasinus and indicus
http://www.rexano.org//ResponsibleOwnership/varanews.pdf
Zuzana Kukol
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by AquaHerp on January 23, 2010
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True Zu-
However.....you knew that was coming eh? ;)
I worry more about captive herps bringing in something than I do the wild collected.
As far as mammals go, captivity makes no real difference. If I were bringing in a zebra, or let's even say a tiger (shipped many a tiger in my day), I go through a long process. I have their vet give the animal a complete work over (need to for a health certificate anyway). I acquire all of the animals past medical records via MedArks. Then have the animal transported in. Guess where it goes? You're right; quarantine.
The animal may have something that was subclinical at the time of the vet exam. Or, in the case of most big animal shippers, it may have been transported along with other animals in the same trailer. I have no idea what was in that trailer before my tiger was shipped. Nor do I know how well it was disinfected between shipments. So....sorry mr.panthera..off to quarantine. Granted some animals may not be able to be a strictly quarantined, let's say a rhino. But every effort is made to keep cross contamination to a minimum. Designated tools, feed pans, cleaning at the end of the day, footbaths, the entire tamale.
Once again, not trying to argue but I cannot express enough the importance of taking precautions regarding quarantiune.
DH
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by tigers9 on January 23, 2010
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AquaHerp wrote:<< Nor can I stress enough the importance of proof-reading. :)>>
WOW a man that can admit he needs to pay closer attention to detail, January 23rd, 2010, the day that will come down in the history of men ;-)
or did I misspell somethign and dint get your comment???
Anyway:
Actually, I never even wrote that even with captive bred animals one shouldn’t do quarantine, all I wrote was that it was overrated;-)
No idea, where that translation happened where I wrote 'it was over rated' and certain male population assumed I said it 'shouldn’t be done'?;-)
And seems like you are from AZA background, lots of different animals (some wild caught) moved around all the time for SSP (prearranged animal sex for those not familiar with SSP, PETA calls it forced sex or rape, Peta even attacked some Indian zoo for it few years ago)) ...
I am more from private pet sector, where breeders might have on or 2 breeding spoiled pairs of mammals and they almost never go to another breeder for prearranged sex, those are bonded pairs, haalthy,.... When baby is born, breeder either ships or delivers in his car or customer comes and picks up in their car, so no worry what was in the crate/car before, it is our own equipment.
Anyway, this is an interesting subject, would be nice to know how many of you here ever caught any serious disease in quarantine, reptiles, bird, mammals? Question is, how many percent of quarantine animals show serious transmissible disease in your own experience?
I know this is not a scientific survey, just asking your own experiences of people here.
Z
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by BGF on January 23, 2010
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>of you here ever caught any serious disease in quarantine, reptiles, bird, mammals? Question is, how many percent of quarantine animals show serious transmissible disease in your own experience?
Are you asking zoonotic or animal-animal transmission? Two hugely different things
Zoonotic diseases are exceedingly rare. Indeed, over 90% of all salmonella cases are from household chicken meat.
As for animals catching things from other animals in quarantine, done right this shouldn't happen. I wear double surgical gloves and change the outer gloves between cages. Having double gloves makes changing much easier since the hands get sweaty inside the first layer and putting fresh gloves over damp bare skin is damn near impossible!
Done wrong or not done at all, disease spread in captive collections is a huge issue. Across the board, from zoos to private collections.
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Bryan
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by tigers9 on January 23, 2010
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BGF wrote<<Are you asking zoonotic or animal-animal transmission? >>
I am asking for both as both are useful, one for fightign paranoid AR legislation, one for potontially protecting our animals in captivity
Like I wrote, I was not against quarantien, but would love some data on how many diseased are caught in quarantine and have it broken down to how many are freshly wild caught animals and how many are captive bred and born, and how many are wild caught but long term captive, would make an interesting data, especially if broken down to mammals, birds and reptiles
Does this data exist somewhere?
Z
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by AquaHerp on January 23, 2010
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In over 30 years I have never gotten salmonella from a herp. At this point I probably shed salmonella myself.
It's a low percentage in my experience, However, I know of some decent collections that got hit hard over the years. OPMV was/is making the rounds from snakes that came from a certain dealer. Out of professionalism I won't say where, but it has nailed a few good people out there.
Perentages are a tough gamble when it comes to something like this. One can argue that one half of 1% of bats carry rabies. But what happens when you get chewed on by that one in a million bat? Bet your butt I'll be checking my titer levels. :)
DH
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by tigers9 on January 23, 2010
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Aqua herp, I feel your pain and my name is not Clinton, ;-)
U know I am totally crazy about statistics,
http://www.rexano.org//Education.htm
and it was always like 1 person gets killed by captive big cat in USA per year, 0.8 by hot captive snake per year, 40-50,000 per year in traffic accidents.
Until few days ago, I didn’t really think too hard, than I calculated it per DAY, That I calculated into onto day, 120-125 humans per day died in traffic accidents in USA, gee, don’t touch that car:-)
So u can give me stats without names, but in big scheme of things...u get the picture...;-)
Z
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by tigers9 on January 23, 2010
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PS: Doug, an u know u can always email me privately about the dealer with diseaes and i will be discreet, i need data for most parts, hard data/statisctics, not names really...
But if u expose the bad ones, don't u decrease the chance of disease transmission???
Z
tigers9@cox.net
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by stopgetinpopped on January 23, 2010
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Hey Doug,
In all seriousness, out of professionalism you should share that dealers name.
The shit dealers need to be exposed. I want to know before I introduce OPMV into my quarantine, let alone my collection.
It's not liable if it's true.
I think that shit needs public attention but if you rather please let me know via email
terry@reptilegardens.com
Cheers!
Terry
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