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by venomrob on February 19, 2010
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A friend of mine has a burm also and thought he had an R.I. Well he started treating it and it wasn't doing any good. The vet gave him baytril by the way. Well he did this for seven days and no sign of improvement. He found he had mites on this snake 2 days ago. Dont know where they came from or how they got there and it wasnt an infestation. Just one or two. Anyways we did the olive oil rub down and let him soak for 2 hours making sure to keep rubbing more on to keep him covered. Anyways there has been no bubbles, no wheezing or any signs a normal R.I. is in place. I guess the question is can mites cause stress to the snake from the biting and all and mimic an R.I.? This is my hypothesis.
Sorry for the length of post but wanted to say full story.
Rob
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by agkistrodude on February 20, 2010
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I'm NOT a vet, but my guess would be that the Baytril kicked in and started working on the R.I. The mites are a separate issue.Make sure he treats the whole cage as well for mites, or they'll be back. Take care, Marty
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by venomrob on February 20, 2010
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Yeah we did with a 50% bleach to water mix. I was just curious being it wasnt working and all of a sudden it seemed gone over night.
Thanks
Rob
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by Aries54 on February 20, 2010
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I have had MANY burms over the years. And I always keep the caging VERY clean. But some how, it always happens at least once-either the mites or the RI. I dont like shooting the baytril in them right away. 90% of the time, I can get rid of the RI by cranking the temps up alot. As far as the mights go, the posts above pretty much said what I would say. But trust me, when having a burm, these things seem to happen from time to time.
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by venomrob on February 20, 2010
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Ive kept them all my life and lucky for me Ive only had one R.I. myself. It was recently to but I used tylan. I just thought maybe being stressd could mimic an R.I. It was just weird how this happened like that.
Rob
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by Rob_Carmichael on February 21, 2010
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Mites are vectors for disease and if you see two mites I can assure you that there are many more; that's how ecto-parasites work. This will knock down a snake's immune system and open the door to problems which can manifest itself in a variety of ways. It's also a common fallacy that you can just treat the snake (and even cage at times) and be done with mites. Mites will leave their host and oftentimes that means traveling outside of the cage. You may think that you have it knocked down until 30 days later you get a re-infestation - aggravating as all get out. So, you'll also want to treat around the cage, the base of any table its sitting on, baseboards, etc. I personally like Provent-A-Mite as it makes it very easy to treat - thankfully, we haven't had mites in years but we still do periodic preventative treatments.
We've had great success using Fortaz in treating respiratory infections. Obviously, bumping temps AND humidity (two very critical ingredients) will help ward off some of the early symptoms but once it becomes a full blown infection, antibiotics is probably the best course of action (and having a good reptile vet).
Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center
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by FSB on February 22, 2010
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A 50% bleach solution is far too strong for husbandry purposes. Hopefully you aired the cage out thoroughly [at least 24 hrs] before returning the snake. A 2% - 3% solution is the strongest you should use for disinfecting cages, and that should still be allowed to air out completely. A 10% solution is ok for disinfecting tongs, hooks, etc. Bleach can be highly irritating to respiratory and olfactory tissues. It is best for hard surfaces [glass and plastic] or for disinfecting implements, and is not so effective on porous surfaces such as wood.
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by Rob_Carmichael on February 22, 2010
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Good catch!! We never use more than a 5% diluted solution. But, we've been using a product called Quatricide PV by Pharmacal for the past 20 years and love the stuff. It's a virucide/bacterialcide and disinfectent - we even use it to mop the floors and clean the counters. We buy a 4 gallon case at a time and it lasts a long time as we dilute it according to their specs.
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by venomrob on February 22, 2010
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yes i am aware of how strong it is. We washed the tank outside with the bleach and after it dried we washed out with the hose and then cleaned with dish detergent. We also let it sit outside for about 6 hrs and washed it again to make sure any remaining odors or residue was gone.
Where do you get the PV at? I would like to try that for my snakes.
Rob
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