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by pictigaster1 on March 3, 2010
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Had you approached this in a intelligent manner I would and could have took you on some of the best hunts of your life as others here could have .You changed your add that is good.I should of been nicer but you were being a little hard headed.I admit calling you names was not right but This is not a game for most of us.Breeding season on most desert species is september not spring tho some do breed then.I would suggest you check out Texas law as well as New Mexico as you can collect there and sell the snakes if you buy the correct permit.Road hunting in texas is illegal tho it must be done on private land.Good luck and my best wishes in your efforts ,stay away from the sharp end of a snake.
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by AquaHerp on March 3, 2010
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There are no snakes in Arizona that have a high demand currently on their venom. We currently have stocked venom from all of these species, along with locality specific venoms. There is an abundance of antivenom for the North American vipers.
Don't believe everything you see on television. I would take a step back and look at securing a strong education and focus more on the real research needs for these animals.
Arizona is also quite serious about their reptile collecting laws and enforce these rigorously. Be sure that you have secured the permit for collecting and know the laws regarding protected species.
Trust me, nobody is making a living running around collecting random venom and blood samples except on television. Not without a strong research focus already in place and a grant to fund the project. Hence why I am currently at my computer and not cussing mosquitoes in some back trail of the Amazon basin.
DH
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by nietzsche on March 3, 2010
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I live in Arizona, and you need to be aware that there are four species of protected rattlers (Ridge Nose, Twin Spotted, Pigmy, and Banded) and that Fish & Game out here is very serious about preventing people from messing with protected species. They even have a decoy Gila Monster (named Coy) that they have used to bust person engaged in illegal activities, such as holding aka harassing a protected species. Since there is little chance of selling venom collected in this manner, you are not conducting research, and you are endangering yourself and the snake, you may want to re-think this idea. You will be benefiting no one, least of all the snakes.
Peace out,
Kelly
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by Cro on March 3, 2010
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Craven, I think you might be right about the Wild Recon episodes.
That show is a joke, and another example of how Animal Planet uses hype to attract folks to watch.
However, we should soon see a great example of how TV reptile shows can be done right, even on Animal Planet.
That is when "SnakesKin" will air Monday
nights at 9pm beginning March 29th.
The show will feature Jason Clark, who is a site member here, and well known for his reptile shows across the state. Jason owns Griffin-based Southeastern Reptile Rescue (SRR), and this will be a realistic show about reptiles.
Everyone be sure to watch those upcoming shows, and contact Animal Planet with you support for the show to continue !
Best Regards
John Z
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by Crotalusssp on March 3, 2010
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Here is an interesting little fact about a show Donald Shultz was a part of. Donald appears on a radio show on XM Faction station, called the Jason Ellis show. Last Friday, he was on and taking phone call questions. I got through to ask about venomoids I had heard had been used. He stated that the venomoids were used on the show "I Was Bitten", and that he was good friends with the vet who performed the surgeries. He stated that they had used prosthetic limbs to film bite scenes, but did not like how they had turned out, so they used venomoids to film new bite scenes and his co-worker took up to 12 bites a day from venomoids, some have in his words "2 inch fangs". Bites from Bitis sp. and Crotalus sp. I knew that they had used venomoids, but was unaware to what extent. You would not have gotten me to take 12 bites from them. Did anyone know of this, and do you have any additional details? I do not agree with venomoids, and this case is just one of the reasons why.
Charles
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by Cro on March 3, 2010
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Donald is not doing any favors for the reptile hobby.
I asked him how many venomoids he was using in his cage stunt in Vegas, and he refused to answer.
Considering that the "vet" on the scene was the largest producer of venomoids in the US, it is not hard to imagine that most of the snakes in the stunt were harmless. After all, Animal Planet would not want their star getting bitten, now would they ?
He is the same type clown as the wild boyz, exploiting animals for his own gain, and the edification of a bunch of mindless followers.
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John Z
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by cortalusmitchellii on June 5, 2013
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With all due respect sir. How is it that you do not know for sure if it is legal or not to collect snakes for milking purposes? Granted the number of snakes one can collect is probably regulated but it is legal for a person to obtain a hunting license and collect reptiles in the state of AZ. Barring protected and endanged species.
Being the permit coordinator at the azdgf I would assume you have great knowledge of the state laws and regulations. Especially regarding this specific topic. Since licensing is what you do.
I am at a loss. I hope that such ignorance is not common within the ranks of azdgf.
In regards to abuse and mishandling of these herps I am in complete agreement with you. Someone that decides to do this for the purpose of providing various types of vemon(for the production of anti-venom) to labs should first consider the risk they are exposing themselves too, then concern for the snakes well being.
however, not knowing "why someone would want to do this" is interesting. Perhaps Morrison would like to contribute to the exsisting need for venom to produce anti-venom. If it is highly regulated, perhaps you might want to educate him vs. belittling him. I find it unfitting of a public employee to behave in such a manner.
take care
Aaron Heath
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