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Getting started with Naja?
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by CanadianSnakeMan on March 17, 2010
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I have been keeping hots for a few years now but have mostly been sticking to vipers. I am thinking about getting into Naja sp. and was wondering if anyone had some advice for me.
I would also like to know what (if any) could be reccommended as a good starter species in terms of size and temprement.
Thanks all!
Luke
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by Crotalusssp on March 17, 2010
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I assume since you say it is illegal for you to keep where you are at, that you will be moving before obtaining these Elapids, ;P. Death adders are Elapids, though they appear and can act a lot more like a viper. A couple things about them is that they are EXTREMELY HOT and can move very quickly when they want to. Another difference is that they, in my experience, do not ride hooks to particularly well.
This all being said, I cannot say I really recommend them as a first elapid, but for me their viper like qualities made me instantly more comfortable with them. Anyone who knows me, knows I am not an Elapid fan, but do like Acanthophis.
Take care,
Charles
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by CanadianSnakeMan on March 17, 2010
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As far as legality is concerned, the township adjascent to mine has no laws prohibiting venomous reptiles. My hots will be kept there from now on.
Good point though :)
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by LarryDFishel on March 17, 2010
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Like with getting started with hots in general, if at all possible, the best thing is to spend some time with an experienced elapid handler first.
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by pictigaster1 on March 17, 2010
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Death Adder=biologicle land mine.Mine is easy tho but will strike when least expecting it and is very fast.I do not recomend it as a first elapid thi.Shield nose snake or.Larry has sound advice tho get an elapid mentor. coral cobra are a good first
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by rthom on March 17, 2010
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+ 1 on Coral Cobras.I have 1.2 A.l.cowlesi and there are great little snakes.Boulengerina a annulata are very calm IMHO . But they do get large,
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by TheSerpentsCoil on March 21, 2010
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First off I'd get someone that has experience to work with before you jump into elapids. I keep and breed a few cobra's and my collection is expanding big time. Anyways they will ride a hook pretty well. If they ever come up on you give the tail a shake and they will fall. IMO cobra's are very easy to work with. I would advise against tailing any smaller animals. 3ft + would be fine in most cases. Most coral cobra's I've delt with are completely psycho and I wouldn't tail them, no need to really. I would rather work with a large cobra (4-5ft+) as they can be much easier to work with then babies. Good Luck!
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by TheSerpentsCoil on March 21, 2010
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Although neat and fun to work with I'd advise against coral cobra's if you really want to work with cobra's. For a first time elapid keeper I wouldn't get Water cobra's either as there is NO available AV for them. Get what you want but be sure AV is available, atleast for the first time keeper.
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by pictigaster1 on March 21, 2010
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Coral cobras are an easy species to work with .African keepers pick them up like hog nose snakes.I know a guy that has had a few bites and had almost no reaction.samir is cheap av.In my opinion they would be the best elapid to start with If you do not want to die if you make a mistake .Shield nose snakes on the other hand are quite toxic.All are nowhere near as toxic or as fast as a naja.I do not see the logic in your response at all...I would not recomend any species of naja as a first elapid to anyone,as a mistake most likely would kill you.
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by Rob_Carmichael on March 21, 2010
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Yikes Archie, I couldn't disagree more. Offer a live mouse to a coral cobra and watch how quickly it's dispatched. Yes, humans aren't mice but if a mouse can go down that quickly, it will have an impact on humans. A mildly venomous snake wouldn't kill a mouse that quickly. If folks in Africa free handle Aspidelaps like Heterodon so be it, that's stupid in my opinion and that's the kind of advice that can get people killed. I heard someone say the same thing about Atheris. Coral cobras are small, though, and are rather easy to handle and manage and I enjoy working with them. But, I personally feel that the most important thing that can be done by the original person asking the question is knowing if there is ample antivenin available and if the nearest hospital is even willing to deal with a situation like this. If you don't have an emergency plan in place, don't get into Naja or any venomous herp for that matter but most folks jump into getting the animal first before taking into consideration the most important aspects of responsible hot herp keeping. Exotic A/V can be very difficult to obtain and some zoos, such as my facility, will no longer loan our our A/V for private individuals because we need it to protect me and my staff (unless we have a particular kind on loan and the loaning agency is willing to do that). It's a harsh stance but when you've had your supply gutted for people who keep them illegally, it gets a little old. Anyway, I'm beating a dead horse on this point but I don't think there is any good beginner elapid. Not trying to start a heated argument either - just don't want newbies thinking its safe to keep any elapid.
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