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RE: Dangerous and deadly are different things
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by Ferdelance_1 on July 8, 2003
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Since the subject matter is now world wide venomous snakebite fatalities:
A good percentage of the cumulative total of all supposed Asian Naja fatal envenomations, were more than likely inflicted by several species of the Genus Bungarus, especially: *B. caeruleus*, B. candidus, B. multicinctus, and one should not exclude B. fasciatus. The other eight species of terrestrial kraits don't get much fanfare, therefore , the four aforementioned Bungarus species should be sufficient to make my point; that terrestrial Kraits still kill thousands of people every year, even though the eleven Asian species of the Naja Genus sometimes get the credit for the fatality.
Additionally Lance-headed PitVipers, (Genus Bothrops), take a heavy toll each year,and I consider the larger variety: B. asper, B. jararaca and B.lanceolatus the,(True: Fer de lance),to be quite "dangerous"! This by no means excludes B. atrox or any other Lance-headed Pitvipers ,and lets not forget the fatalities inflicted by the Crotalus durissus complex.
Finally, I realize that Bitis arietans, (Puff Adder), is responsible for a considerable amount of human fatalites, however, I am curious to know where you obtained the statistics that places this venomous serpent in the same league as Bungarus, Daboia, Echis, and Naja, with regard to world wide venomous snake bite fatalities?
Cheers,
Derek K.
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RE: Dangerous and deadly are different things
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by jared on July 8, 2003
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I dont know which article made reference to the group but I know that all of the worldwide snakebite statistics I have seen in the past did include Puffs as well as sawscales. The lanceheads I left out, but I didnt think there were alot of bites from lanceolatus since it is not nearly as common as asper and leacurus(sp?). You mention the Kraits taking large tolls, but I was always under the impression that it was the monocle or speck (though they have a high proprencity for dry bites) that claimed the most asian lives along with Daboia. It leads me to ask where to Krait stats come from? As I said, puffs are possibly number one as in most dangerous snake categories they fit the bill (large dangerous viper, huge litters, close contact with humans etc). I would think the primary fatalities occur in africa and asia (based on poor medical care, and many highly venomous species that are in daily contact with humans) as these large volitle snakes are common even in marketplaces. Again, just my experience with the subject matter,
Jared
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RE: Dangerous and deadly are different things
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by cottonmouth on July 8, 2003
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Jared, I just read an article from Allen tennant speaking of all the Puff bites and fatalities in Africa #1 in African Deaths.
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RE: Dangerous and deadly are different things
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by Naja_oxiana on July 8, 2003
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I would think that given the extremely wide ranges of Echis sp and the puff adder, perhaps the widest ranging species of venomous snake, they would be the "most dangerous" or "most deadly" snake in the world. We must take into account that many of the ranges that these snakes reside in includes ancient tribal areas and rural areas in SW Asia where it may not be common practice to send snakebite victims to proper medical facilities or no such facility may be availible.
My vote for "most dangerous and deadly" snake goes to the puff adder, based on it's wide range. Echis and Naja may be more dangerous as overall genuses, but that is compiling a number of species together whereas the pa is just one snake.
My opinion though, so take it for what you will.
Cheers
Roger
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RE: Dangerous and deadly are different things
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by Ferdelance_1 on July 8, 2003
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It has been an established fact that Bitis arietans' , (Puff Adder), envenomations are responsible for more human fatalities (+ or - 60%) than any other venomous snake on the African continent, however, I haven't seen any hard numbers to make a world wide comparison to the following estimated human fatality statistics:
Asiatic Naja: Estimated around 15,000 minus 20% = 12,000, (3000 of the 15,000 total), more than likely attributed to Bungarus envenomations.
Echis: Saw-scaled Vipers' estimated fatal envenomations are approximately 10,000.
Bungarus: Terrestrial Kraits estimated fatal envenomations are approximately 3,000 plus an additional 3,000 = 6,000 , (educated guess), total includes 3,000 that were supposedly attributed to Asiatic Naja fatal envenomations.
Daboia: Russell's Viper estimated fatal envenomations 5,000.
Bothrops: Lance-headed PitVipers estimated fatal envenomations 3,000. Note: Bothrops lanceolatus the, (True Fer de lance), is relativley responsible for very few deaths due to it's limited range the ile de La Martinique, however, I listed this species because it was an example of a larger Bothrops species which like B. asper have a tendency to be implicated in the majority of fatal "New World" envenomations.
African Naja species: ?
Crotalus durissus complex: ?
Comments Please:
Cheers,
Derek K.
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RE: Which is more deadly, the taipan or the black
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by elapid62 on July 12, 2003
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There is a big difference between most venomous, and the most deadly. most deadly has two meanings in the snake world. one the most venomous, and two, the most dangerest. so the inland tiapan, is the most venomous, and the black mamba is the most dangers. You asked which is the most deadly. I would say that the black mamba takes more lives than the inland tiapan. that would make the mamba #1 most deadly between the two. Russell
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