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by Existential on December 19, 2010
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Seems like youre on a power trip fella. You are the Almighty man, removing the deadly snakes bite so to speak. You have deeply implied that you want to domesticate snakes. You want the thrill of saying you have a dangerous animal, without so much danger.
I said this before. Snakes are wild animals. That is part of their appeal (for me, anyway). It is a tie to the natural world. And again, the venom apparatus is fascinating.
I still don't understand this, ans please educate me here - why get a venomous snake if you are going to remove the venom? I still haven't seen a good answer for this.
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by Existential on December 19, 2010
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Furthermore the American appeal is bit lame. Not everyone should own a venomous snake, just as not everyone should drive. Venomoiding might open up the market for more people to buy, but there is always a chance for regeneration. It would injure the hobby even more if a 10year old was invenomated by his supposedly venemoid rattler. Or say it is properly venomoided but he bleeds out from puncture wounds in hid blood vessels?
If you can't handle a hot snake, don't get one. Don't give yourself a false sense of security with an altered animal. Stick with non-vens.
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by Existential on December 19, 2010
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One more thing - Kris just made a great point. Domestication is a product of line breeding. You can't physically alter one animal and expect it to be a lap dog.
Can we all keep tigers if we declaw them and break the canines?
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by Buzztail1 on December 19, 2010
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Dave, you sure seem to have an agenda.
For the record, typing "venomoid" in the search engine for the forums here brings up 100 threads from the past 5 years. In other words, this is not a new issue here.
There are pro-venomoid keepers here and there are anti-venomoid keepers here. This issue has been beat to death in this forum and it ALWAYS devolves into name calling and profanity (both of which are not tolerated here).
How I personally feel about venomoids has no bearing on if or when I close a thread. The profanity, name calling and tone of responses does. Attacking my motives with the phrase "freedom of speech" will also get you nowhere. Just like you, I am free to state my opinion. But I am not free to walk into your livingroom and tell you what I think about your mental capacity because you do not agree with me.
This website is dedicated to VENOMOUS REPTILES. If you don't like venomous reptiles or only like them after they have been surgically altered, feel free to go to a venomoid website or even create one of your own.
Coming here and calling everyone names because they don't agree with you is really not the way to win people over to your side of the issue.
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Karl
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by vanerka on December 19, 2010
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Hey Karl, Mabey I should go on a freedom of speech rant! HAHA We can have a competition on whos is longer, ours or Dave's?
Take care, Eric V.
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by AquaHerp on December 19, 2010
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A had a horse. But given that far more people are killed in the USA by falling from horses than by snakebite, I sawed its legs off. This way if I fall, I'll be okay. I only did it because I really like horses! :)
There is absolutely no valid reason to venomoid a snake. For those of us who have removed venom glands on a regular basis for research, there is no easy and non-traumatic way to doing this.
I simply don't get it. If you don't want an animal for what it truly is, don't have it. Why do you want it? So you can take it out and amaze your party guests? So you can impress that special girl? So you can educate the masses by free-handling in front of them?
If you have a "real" interest in an animal, a true herpetological-based interest, then you resepect and admire that animal for what it is. Not what you want it to be. Same reason that I am not a fan of morphs. You are in it for the wrong reasons. For that aspect, there is no argument you can make.
DH
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by Existential on December 19, 2010
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Haha.. I've been on facebook too long-was looking for the 'like' button. Well said, DH.
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