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by Buzztail1 on February 4, 2011
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Brance, clearly you did not understand the full extent of my answer.
1. "In almost every single instance, someone posts about how they will never give up their snakes no matter what the law says.
As in several of the previous instances, I would like to remind you all that Law Enforcement agencies from several states and federal organizations review our ads and forum ON A DAILY BASIS!!!
Please do not post your intentions to break the law in this forum and then wonder why they show up at your front door."
This is a pre-emptive strike warning to try to prevent this thread from becoming what it has in previous instances.
2. "Personally, when they say that I can't keep venomous snakes any more, I won't keep them anymore. Enough said."
This is my whole answer. E
ach state that heads down this path will pick their own method of enforcement. Some will grandfather keepers who are already known to have certain animals and will take it upon themselves to check and verufy that new animals are not bred or acquired. Other states will turn a blind eye as to how you get rid of the animals that you already have and it will be up to you how you get rid of them. And still others will require you to surrender them to authorities who, in almost every instance, will be less qualified to care for them than the original keeper. It is impossible to guess which path any given state will take.
I have been in the position on several occasions to have to get rid of my venomous collection either due to living circumstances or local laws. In each case I placed my snakes with venomous keepers that I personally knew who were keeping legally in their own state. By placed, I mean GAVE - NOT SOLD.
Does that satisfactorily answer your question without rehashing things that have already been said?
As I posted before, this is here in this forum several times (including various versions of the answer I just typed out to you again).
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Karl
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by chickenwang252 on February 4, 2011
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Hi im actually going through this as we speak... ok lets see i starting keeping vens 5 years ago here in burke county nc and in sept 2010 i opened my door to animal control wondering what all i keep. Im quessin some one just ran their mouth... but anyway i opened the door fully knowing that i was legal by all state laws.. i have escape protocols bite protocols and all vens are/were properly names commmon and scientific. and all vens are housed in boamaster or vision cages with locks... any way long story short the animal control produced 2 hours later a little paragraph of a county venomous ban that jus came in effect in march of 2010.... they seized all my vens including a moreletts croc. and wrote me a CRIMINAL ticket for a city ordinece for a keeping and maitaining vens..
A misdemanor witch i am going to courty for now...
All of my herps have be placed in zoos and other various places to keep them from being killed(thanks to a vet friend of mine)
our ven law says you can only keep these animals if theyre sterile.... Anybody knows that no vet with perfore this surgury... my lawyer is getting this dismissed.... i want to know if there is anyway i can get something good out of this..... i want my BITIS back...I want my NAJA...I want my Bothrops... And i want my Lachesis.......
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Hurt hot herper
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by TexasTreeViper on February 4, 2011
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Thanks Karl, that answer is much better. I should have worded my initially question as what would we (as a venomous community) do instead of you (each person individually). I wasn't trying to lure anyone into publically admitting they would become outlaws.
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by BobH on February 4, 2011
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Although I would hate to see this happen, I would think most vets that deal with venomous snakes would be able to sterilize them relatively easily.
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by CHRIS on February 4, 2011
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Adam I am sorry to hear about your experiance, it sounds like you had made a good effort to do it right.Hope you can get it resolved. It sounds like you have fallen victem to the ideal that since some are careless,they think everyone is ,and should be judged equally . Animal control ,and those that support this type of action, are in no way looking out for the safety of the people, or the well being of the animals.It is nothing more than politics.Good luck to you ,and keep us informed on what happens. Chris
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by Time on February 6, 2011
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As far as Texas goes, I don't believe you have anything to be worried about for a couple of reasons.
1) Rattlesnake Roundups..It's a double edged sword.
To regulate keeping hots would affect this activity also.
I don't see this happening. This activity is too political regardless of the inhumanity and disregard for regulations already in place that should shut it down.
2) Texas has a permit system in place. As long as they get your $20/$60 they seem to care less about any safety issues. I know of three instances all involving MAJOR safety concerns with people not permitted. One of these even resulted in a confiscation. TP&W response? Get your permit right now and we'll not take this any further! Even the confiscated animal was returned to inadequate caging within 24 hours of the confiscation against the advice of local Sheriff and Animal Control.
When this South Florida Exotic Snake Permit(as I like to refer to it) was first suggested in Texas, the excuse we were given was that this was a safety issue concerning fire, police, first responders needing to know if these animals were living on premises.
How many of you permitted Texans have checked with your local police and fire departments to see if THEY have received this list? I asked mine and they had no idea what I was talking about.
It's all about the money and not safety.
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by lanceheads on February 6, 2011
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I don't think Rattlesnake Round-up's would legally be affected in Texas, as you have 21 days to procur the permit.
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by Time on February 6, 2011
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I was addressing the first question posted...by TexasTreeViper on February 3, 2011
"In the event the state you resided in banned venomous reptiles, what would happen?"
I am assuming a ban would cancel out the "permits" that are now available.
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by CHRIS on February 6, 2011
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We can call snakes pets,specimans ,captive animals,just the same as we can call our cars babyor call our guns toys. However you look at it or describe it they are all dangerous if not treated with the respect they deserve.And in all reality the goverment just loves to get in the middle of every ones buissness,and call it out as the safety of the people,and we know in most cases its never for the people.But take it for what its worth,I do not usually participate in interacting with very many people so take this as an unifluenced opinion. There is never any reason to free handle any snakes.And if you prefer to have venomous snakes surgically alterd thats your choice,from what I am reading it is a sensitive subject here so I would not flaunt it. Collecting of snakes is not in the norm in the eyes of most people.So it is best if we do not fight amongst our selves. It only weakens our stance. Chris
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by TexasTreeViper on February 6, 2011
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Tim, I'm in no way concerned about our rights as Texans to keep venomous. I was directing this question more as a "what if" enlight to what may happen to folks in PA.
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