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by Kevo on February 24, 2012
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My N.Kaouthia has ventral scale sores.I keep the cage dry.I was using Cyprus much from lowes,now I went to aspen bedding.I keep him in an enclosure with a screen top.So humidity being high is not the problem.I do not see any evidence of mites,which I believe would be easy to see on him ,because if him being albino.
I tubed him twice and my wife and I allied Neosporin on the sores.Next step I done was putting saturated paper towel with neosporin in his shift box and locking him in there with that for 2 days. Nothing seems to be working.
He is eating fine except for now because he is in shed.
He is a blind cobra so he is very difficult to handle.
The sores are mainly 85 % right in the middle of his belly.
I sprayed him for mites this morning just in case.
I really would appreciate the help,I never had this problem and about to pull my hair out!!!
Thanks, Kevin
cell# 281-750-1193
email kevin91172@yahoo.com
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by Time on February 24, 2012
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Determining what caused the infection is the best way to combat it. Taking it to a reptile vet is strongly recommended.
On the other hand, I have treated skin conditions successfully by soaking the snake in Nolvasan and treating the skin with Panalog which is a much better product for reptiles than Neosporin which is petroleum based.
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by Kevo on February 24, 2012
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Ok thanks Tim,I done some goggling and found allot of folks soak them in 10% Betadine, I bought some 7.5% here in Needville at the feed store.
I need to find a vet in the Houston area that works with venomous, any suggestions?
Thanks, Kevin
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by lanceheads on February 24, 2012
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I agree with Tim. Placing a well-soaked towel with Novalsan inside the enclosure for a few days, then keeping the snake dry on newspaper, will work wonders. It will take a few shed's before you see any noticeful improvment though.
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by Kevo on February 24, 2012
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Ok Randal, I found some of that stuff online,I am going to check with Vets in my area.
2 hours ago I took out all the aspen and put news paper.
While I done this I put him in a big locking tub with 1" of luke warm water and enough of the 7.5 % betadine , enough to turn the water in to a tea color for about 45 minutes. He seemed to enjoy it , I thought may be he feel a sleep in it. Also he was 100 % less rambunctious when I took him out to back in his enclosure.
I wish I would caught this sooner. Only way I caught it was when he hooded up at me.
I found a vet but for him to work on this guy will be some big money.I was told to do this every day for 2 weeks, unless it gets worse than better.
Is there any suggestions on oral antibiotics to inject into rats to give to him as well ? I can weigh him next time I take him out for a soaking.
Thanks, again
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by lanceheads on February 26, 2012
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Kevin,
I would try the soaking info for awhile, before resorting to giving oral antibiotics to the food item.
Let your vet make that call, in the mean time, keep doing what your doing!
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by theemojohnm on February 26, 2012
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I'm wondering if the substrate in the original enclosure might have been kept too damp, or the humidity too high.
We see this a lot in Colubrids, and ironically many water snake species (Nerodia). A lot of people keep Nerodia species waaay too damp, because they assume "well, they're water snakes, right?".. However, they simply find their food in the water, and like all snakes, need at least some access to completely dry land, at all times.
I agree with the soaking(s) in the 10% Betadine solution, and agree with the Novalsan on paper-towel method, still, make sure that the snake has a hide box where it can get away from it all if it wants to.
I do a lot of work with Nerodia species. And, even though they prefer bogy habitats in the wild, they often encounter this issue in captivity.
When I run local swab cultures, I usually get nothing back result -wise indicating gram-negative or gram-positive bacterial. A lot of these infection appear to be fungal infections. In which, case, I can only advise treating with a triple antibiotic ointment (like that uses for humans), and changing the substrate as often as possible. (You are looking for something that contains: Neomycin, Polymyxin B Sulfate, and Bacitracin, as the "triple" antibiotic ointment for topical use).
This is usually available for a few bucks at just about an y grocery store or pharmacy, and should be right next to the name-brand Neosporin, lol.. This is usually pretty effective if applied often enough, and even if you are dealing with a fungal infection, and not a gram+ or gram- bacterial infection, which it also has it's benefits for. The addition of a veterinary fungicide to couldn't hurt (and several of these can be found in the aquarium isle of your local pet store for a bucks, *wink wink*, and do not require a vets prescription.
My advice to keep the cage a simple as possible for the time being; no unnecessary cage furnishing, no natural substrate. (I am a big fan of natural substrate and cage furnishings, but in this case, they should be eliminated). I would line the cage with paper-towel, add a water bowl, and a simple plastic hide box.
Keep it as simple as possible. A lot of these things usually clear up on their own, so give it a few weeks and look for signs either way of improvement or advancement of their the snakes condition.
Good luck, and do update us when things start to progress, one way or another.
Good Luck.
Take Care,
John Mendrola
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by choppergreg74 on February 29, 2012
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Wow. I had the same problem 2 times this year. I too kept everything dry. I bought a big bail of aspen at Petco. Thats when all the trouble began. It happenrd to an indigo and to an C. oreganus. I tried a few things topical, and nothing worked. I called my vet. He gave me Fortaz (I think I spelled that correct) injections. 1 shot every 3 days 10 injections total. Worked great. No problmes. Now i keep everything on Brown painters paper I get at Home Depot or Lows. THate the best cage liner and safest. My vet said he believes it to be a piece of substrate penetrating between scales and causing an infection. Im not sure I agree. In 25 plus years I never had this problem until this year. And 2 times is verry strange. The only thing new was the substrate from Petco????
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by choppergreg74 on February 29, 2012
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Wow. I had the same problem 2 times this year. I too kept everything dry. I bought a big bail of aspen at Petco. Thats when all the trouble began. It happenrd to an indigo and to an C. oreganus. I tried a few things topical, and nothing worked. I called my vet. He gave me Fortaz (I think I spelled that correct) injections. 1 shot every 3 days 10 injections total. Worked great. No problmes. Now i keep everything on Brown painters paper I get at Home Depot or Lows. THate the best cage liner and safest. My vet said he believes it to be a piece of substrate penetrating between scales and causing an infection. Im not sure I agree. In 25 plus years I never had this problem until this year. And 2 times is verry strange. The only thing new was the substrate from Petco????
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by choppergreg74 on February 29, 2012
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Wow. I had the same problem 2 times this year. I too kept everything dry. I bought a big bail of aspen at Petco. Thats when all the trouble began. It happenrd to an indigo and to an C. oreganus. I tried a few things topical, and nothing worked. I called my vet. He gave me Fortaz (I think I spelled that correct) injections. 1 shot every 3 days 10 injections total. Worked great. No problmes. Now i keep everything on Brown painters paper I get at Home Depot or Lows. THate the best cage liner and safest. My vet said he believes it to be a piece of substrate penetrating between scales and causing an infection. Im not sure I agree. In 25 plus years I never had this problem until this year. And 2 times is verry strange. The only thing new was the substrate from Petco????
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