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hognose and cat eyed snake
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by BigJT on March 10, 2012
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Today I picked some snakes up at repticon but like a moron I bought one too many snakes. I have a very docile cat eyed snake (around 2.5ft and .410 thick) in a 20 gallon but no where for my hog nose (around 2ft and 20 gauge shell thick)to go. Would it be OK to keep them together for a small time until I can get my mangrove viper into a terrarium and my hog nose in the current MV tank?the cat snake is arboreal and the hog nose is a bit of a burrower. Neither are known for munching on snakes and they don't seem to mind each other when I tried a small introduction earlier. But this is my first for both species so if anyone has any "need to know before catastrophic failure" advice just let me know
Thanks,
JT
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by BigJT on March 10, 2012
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Never mind. Apparently there is no way to delete your own questions but I've answered my own. The hognose would up going after the cat eyed but both snakes are now separated with no harm done
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by KyleO on March 11, 2012
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I don't mean to sound condescending, but when referring to "cat eyed snakes"- you are casting a net for about 20 different species spanning various genera. Latin reference is best, though since the forum loves a completed profile, I went and read yours, and realized you are referring to Boiga trigonota .
You answered your question as a "no, I shouldn't" and you are correct. I am only injecting a piece of advice. The suggested advice is to include latin nomenclature in your requests for help.
As I said, I certainly do not want to sound condescending, as you probably already know this. Just a tip for the future.
**As a side note**- You will never receive a concrete answer as to whether snakes are best kept individually or not. All you can do is take information from both sides of this debate and form your own opinion. There are pros and cons to both sides. We house multiple snakes together but manage this as needed. While I can have strong viewpoints and have been known to be opinionated, this is not a topic I see as anything but subjective. Different genera from different ecology and opposite sides of the world should never be kept together.
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by BigJT on March 13, 2012
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I appreciate the reply and im always open to constructed criticism but as far as the cat eyed snake goes I picked it up off of some moron that didnt know what it was beyond a cat eyed snake, owned it for two months without feeding it or even putting it under a light. And with this website and repticon being my only contact to other hot keepers it gets kind of hard to get straight correct info on Latin names. Sad to say Wikipedia is really my most "reliable" source as far as ease to find the info and getting an immediate answer. all other websites are just thumbing through forums or just happen upon what your looking for.
While im on the subject do you know the difference between Cryptolytrops and Trimeresurus? Ive seen some formerly Trim stuff, so did they re categorize or is it interchangeable or something of that nature?
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by KyleO on March 13, 2012
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Re: Cryptelytrops vs Trimeresurus- taxonomy is never "interchangeable" by definition, however science is constantly changing and evolving. Occasionally species can be reclassified so quickly they appear to have two or more names but that has more to do with the majority of us being slow to accept change then the reality of it.
The former Trimeresurus complex underwent a seperation back in 2004, to several different genera. Trimeresurus, Cryptelytrops, Parias, Popeia, Viridovipera, Himalayophis, Peltopelor. It was more or less stable until now, where some new findings (David, Vogel, Dubois- 2011) have invoked yet another change based on the original type species being incorrect.
Sometimes it can be frustrating to keep up with these changes but as science evolves it focuses more on how closely species are related (phylogeny) to classify them- over things like physical characteristics. So scale counts for example, don't hold the relevance they used to, and have taken a back seat to mtDNA (mitochondrial DNA).
In short, the Purple spotted pit viper you have was a Cryptelytrops purpeomaculatus when you purchased it, but is now classed as Trimeresurus purpeomaculatus once again. Fun fun.
"Science is the art of making ten questions out of one answer.."
Kyle O'Grady
Assistant Curator
Indian River Reptile Zoo
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by BigJT on March 13, 2012
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Alright. I appreciate it. I am by no means a scientist, just an interested keeper, but there are alot of people that will run you into the ground for not being 100% right on and in some cases strip you of your rights to keep.
Thanks again
JT
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by KyleO on March 14, 2012
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It can be sensitive at times.
I don't see anyone calling someone out for not being up-to-the-day current on taxonomy though. You did know both of the latin names you just asked if they were interchangeable- I don't think anyone would chastise a question such as this,
Take care,
-K
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by theemojohnm on March 14, 2012
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I agree with Greg, wholeheartedly.. A Sterilite or Rubbermaid bin, available from any department store for a few dollars, will be fine for the hognose for the time being. Often times I think that some keepers underestimate their use as permanent enclosures, too.
Obviously they aren't good display cages, but for large-scale research, or large breeding projects, Sterilite bins are great ! ( Some of the Rubbermaid models are decent too, I just tend to prefer the Sterilite Bins with the green, locking latches.). They come in all sizes imaginable, and literally can be found for a few dollars ( literally $2 - $10 )in almost any store such as Walmart, Target, etc.
This is a MUCH better idea than housing them together. And, as others have said I too disagree with the keeping of these too species together.
Obviously, some of these bins, with the “snap-on” lids, are not suited for herps, are escapes are inevitable. But, many are made very sturdy, and have locking ‘latches’, that fold over the lids, and are virtually escape-proof. A drill (or better yet a soldering iron) to drill (or “melt”) air holes along the sides of the box, and you’re good to go.
Take Care,
-John Mendrola
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