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by vanerka on July 31, 2012
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If you actually read what I wrote, I didn't. If you really think I'm gonna put up with this crap. Good luck Ive been a member of this site too long to have this tool posting crap on a legit question. If you do not want to answer then DONT! If you have a response that's not a question or some B.S. bogus acquisition, then by all means continue.
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by KaouthiaKeeper on July 31, 2012
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Don't change the subject - you did not start this thread under the pretence that individuals should not give to private organizations that do not disclose where their funding goes. You started it under the pretence that among reptile enthusiast there was some major controversy over what USARK does with it's funding, for some reason, that you cannot explain. I also have friends on this site and I am also a member of USARK and I have never heard any of these alleged rumors. That is why I am questioning your morality. Typically, in science, extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence to back them up. I am just asking you to cite your sources. In addition, I do not agree with your argument. Your arguing that: All organizations that do not disclose where their funding goes are suspect. USARK does not disclose where all its funding goes. Therefore, USARK is suspect. However, this is completely absurd. Are you seriouslly suggesting that all organizations that do not disclose where all of their funding goes are shady. Most organizations do not
disclose where their funding goes. In addition, you have major industry leaders such as prehistoric pets dumping thousands of dollars into USARK and they are in direct contact with USARK. Do you really think that they would be dumping all this
money into an organization that they do not trust ? They are multimillion dollar companies. Who are you ? Just some kid with a snake that can't tell us who he heard his rumors from ? USARK just lobbied the United States senate if you really want know where there money goes why don't you just use your imagination.
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by varivenom on July 31, 2012
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John, your not helping your argument by siting a place with such poor reviews and customer service. How many crooked and moral lacking bigamist want you to think they are such caring and wonderful people because they donate big bucks to righteous causes. I say if you have nothing to hide then speak out. Tell people not only your intensions, but what your doing about the situation to help. Especially if people other than yourself are funding it through simple trust.
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by vanerka on August 1, 2012
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There it is. John, your claiming Im attacking USARK. If you had actually read my post "it seems like the negative speculation and hearsay is loosely based malarkey that has spawned from legitimate concern". So get that out of your head that im in any way attacking USARK. They have done quite a bit in the sense of preventing unjust legal reform of our hobby as well as the animals we keep. Im not questioning that whatsoever. Im not even questioning that all organinzations must show all their expendatures. Im simply curious as to what a specific private organization also known as USARK is doing with "all this money" that they are recieveing from these multimillion dollar companies you speak of regardless of wether or not the individual donating is shady.
And I may be just a kid legally refer to as an adult (just fyi), but what makes you any different? I can just as easily say that your just a kid with a couple snakes and a USARK t-shirt. Cuz you donate to them because other people and companies do too. That makes sense Im going to follow the other lemmings as well. Being a member of the organization, you personally should recieve a newsletter of some kind informing you of the active precautions and proavtive preventative measures they are taking to stop over the top intrusive anti-reptile laws from being pushed infront of a legally governing authority with potential to do real harm to our hobby, not just a t-shirt and a pat on the back.
As a non-active member of the chicago herpetological society, non-active meaning I dont go to meetings or participate in a majority or functions, however a monthly news letter is sent out about whats been going on in our state, with the society, about specific native species of reptiles and amphibians, and what research is being conducted. Not to mention what laws they are possibly going to be put into action.
If they are at the very least informative of their actions and whatnot when they are called infront of congress to defend themselves along with the whole aspect of our hobby, not to mention other visable signs of where the money goes and what kind of things are done with it, then yes, I would consider donating. As a member of the NRA you recieve a newsletter informing you of where all their money goes and who it helping support even if it is a private case where someone who cant afford legal council and the nra believes what the individual did was the correct action. They will help with legal fees and consultation. But thats a whole nother can of worms.
As a member of a private organization, not a private business you should have access to financial expendatures of said organization. Even if they came out and said we have bank accounts exceeding $xxx,xxx that we are saving for future necessary federal involvement thats ok with me. Even if that access was granted only to people who donate more than $xx,xxx, you can have faith in the fact that if thoes people are continuing to donate that much after knowing what they know, you know your money is hard at work. Because people with that kind of money didnt get it by throwing it into lousy no good investments. You know what I mean?
So understand im in no way bad mouthing them, I could care less about what they make financially however I want results to show for the donation I make. And if the donation I were to make didnt make enough of a difference, or if they needed more money for a specific purpose I wouldnt mind setting up some kind of fund raiser to help support that purpose. But in order to go that far I would want the ability to ask as to why they have $X ammount sittiing aside and they need more money. It also helps keep organizations streight as opposed to letting a few hundered K slip through the cracks into someones private bank acct. Not that im accusing them of that but I believe it helps keep organizations honest. God knows it happens enough in the business world. Just saying. And I think Tim gets what Im trying to say when I say simple trust only takes you so far.
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by KaouthiaKeeper on August 1, 2012
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You stated: there seems to be quite a bit of controversy surrounding them from keepers on other sites and forums...I was just curious as to why there are so many skeptics about these organizations?" Who are you talking about? What are these other sites and forums? Where did you hear that USARK does not disclose its financial information? I just called them and spoke to them about this matter and they transferred me to the treasurer Sherry Tregembo who stated to me that any member who wishes to find out where their money went can call up and USARK will send them a copy of where their funds went. They also thanked me for making them aware of the issue and stated that they will disclose where their funds go on their website which is still under construction.
In addition, reptile magazine started a fundraiser for USARK. Hope you find that a more respectable source varivenom.
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by KaouthiaKeeper on August 1, 2012
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Here you go: http://usark.org/accomplishments/ from 2008 to 2012 that's what your money got you. Now you can pose with your reticulated python on your neck without having to worry about getting a felony. This thread should read; Thank You USARK.
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