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Why Do The Europeans Have Nicer Snakes ?
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by KaouthiaKeeper on April 6, 2013
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Not even trying to be a troll. I am just always amazed by the quality of European stock. They seem to always have drop dead gorgeous animals. I was wondering if any who has been around for a while knows why. Do they selectively breed more and import less ? I can't understand it.
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RE: Why Do The Europeans Have Nicer Snakes ?
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by choppergreg74 on April 8, 2013
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Because here in the US most keepers have a hundred different snakes and breed some of this and some of that. In Europe most breeders have a hundred of the same species and focus on that particular species. That is something I feel we should focus on more here.
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by CHRIS on April 8, 2013
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First thing you have to look at is who has better access to more animals. It would also be of interest to see what the mortality rate is per country,and what percentages of these countries are involved in smuggling.I was told by a friend who is a curator at a major museum about 10 years ago collecting permits around the world were more readally available to europeans than for americans.You must also take in to consideration that you may only be seeing the good animals.
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by Nightflight99 on April 27, 2013
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Herpetoculture has a long and strong history in Europe, especially in western Europe. There are a lot of reptile keepers in Germany and the Netherlands in particular, and they have long been well-organized. For instance, the national herp society in Germany (DGHT) still boasts an active membership of over 7000, which is of course down from the pre-Internet days. Most herp societies in this country are doing well if the number of their active members is over 100. Large expos in Europe, such as the Hamm show, are at times about twice the size as the Daytona show was at its peak. Since a lot of the reptile stock has been kept and bred since the 1960s and 1970s, the number and quality of available species tends to be greater.
As Greg mentioned, European keepers also tend to specialize on a few species, whereas North American keepers tend to be less focused in their collections. I've also observed a tendency of European keepers to invest more resources into their collections compared to the North American keepers. Those are just my own observations, of course.
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by KaouthiaKeeper on April 28, 2013
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Do the Europeans have oppressive communist police state laws like we have ? I'm thinking that if more people didn't have to worry about being thrown in jail because of the reptiles they keep we would have larger expos and better breeders in the hobby.
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by KaouthiaKeeper on April 28, 2013
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And just incase you don't realize the extent of the problem we have here I have a friend who just had his house raided by the NYPD because he had an iguana and a tegu. They kicked down his door and raided his house in front of his wife and kids. What would they have done if he had a rattle snake or an elapid, ordered a drone strike on his house ? It's crazy down here with Bloomberg and Cuomo. We are going to need a permit to put our clothes on in the morning soon.
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by ChunkHead on April 30, 2013
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The Europeans certainly have their problems too, especially as it pertains to their keeping of New World venomous snakes. I have had many a conversation with disgruntled breeders/keepers who are at their wits end because of all the reckless crossbreeding and hybridizing that occurs over there. Half of them have no real idea what subspecies they own or whether those animals are genetically homogeneous.
But more to your question, they also seem to be fanatical about housing and husbandry.
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