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by Chance on November 4, 2003
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Ah Jeremy, your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. If you could just quell that temper of yours and redirect it toward good things, you'd probably make for a much better human being. As it is though, I, the younger of this argument, continually has to show you just how immature you are. Anyone reading this thread right now can see that loud and clear through all your ranting. Now usually when it gets to this point of just stupid name calling, I would cease to comment on anything because it is pointless. However, I at least must correct your misinformation both about me and my sources.
>You did use Irwin's reffernce though. That bogus info came from the same list, written back in the 50s! Same list Irwin used when doing his top ten most venomus snake in the world show. Dr. Fry's list is by far a better source of info. The book your useing is basicly full of crap in a lot of regard. Ask any profesional who has worked with Taipan's aboiut it. Good pics but thats about it.
Quite possibly so. This book was copyrighted in 1995 and Fry's research is a good deal more up to date than that. However, like I said before, when dealing with venom toxicity there are so many things that come into play that with today's technology there is probably no definite way to set anything in stone.
>Regarding size of coastals, the record is about 9 1/2 ft comfirmed if the unit converter I used is acurate. Check the fallowing link
Well I suppose O'Shea was just pulling the info out of his rear for the book I already cited. Who knew?!
>You are correct about the max size being alittle larger for canni (Even though you used the same 11ft measurment! Duh!)but dont tell me they average over 7-8ft! I know people who were keeping specimens since you were still going through puberty and they still arent over 8ft! Im talking averages here. They say the max length of polylepis is around 14 but how often do you see one over 10?
I can say that canni can easily reach over 7' as the 7' MALE (not female) I had didn't appear to be all that old and still had lots of growing to do. And as far as 10' polys, let's see....one just bit a guy down in FL, and importers tend to get them in frequently.
>Regarding fang size, again, that book is bs!! Ask around! Though Taipans have the longest fangs of any oz elapid, Kings by far own the record for the world. Hell, if African garter snakes got 15ft plus they would have the record too! Also, ask around about the death adder. I cant remember the source but it has been written and in a much more reliable publication then the book you are useing. Never asume anything!!
Ah, so you contradict yourself here. Taipans have the longest fangs of any Australian elapid...which would include Acanthopis (that's death adders, by the way). Make up your mind here buddy, you're confusing yourself.
>Oh yeah, I didnt say polylepis fangs were larger, just alittle closer in comparison. BTW, if you belive pans give you an evil grin because they are confident in their ability to bite then you are an......! Taipan's are the most shy out of all of them! Atleast this can be said for the 10 plus specimens I have observed.
Have you been around taipans long enough to see them "bear their fangs" at you? I have seen this in both my adult I had and these juveniles. By the way, my juveniles are the least shy elapid I've ever kept, always staying outside of the hide and never being flighty. Based on this behavior I can safely predict that they should be both very placid when they reach adulthood and not at all inclined to want to hide.
>You are very foolish to rely on Fl's venom bank to save you arse being that you live in AK!!!! Good luck lasting that long or not haveing your blood chemistry f -ed up so bad you feel the effects for years to come. This, BTW, is the reason I dont keep them yet Jr! Its ok though, I will just wait a few weeks for you to get scared and place them for sale like you do with everyother one of your venomous animals. I will just make a killer deal to whom ever buys them from ya and give them a good home with a compitent handler who isnt going house them in a wire mesh cage or be to scared to medicate and have them drop dead!!!
AK eh? Funny, I thought I lived in Arkansas. I have never assumed that it would be a sure thing that I'll be unaffected from a bite from one of these. I'm sure I'd be greatly affected, and there's no guarantee of my survival, nor of anyone else's who is bitten by a venomous snake, AV on hand or not. Considering that the AV that covers taipans is nearly $1,000 US a vial, and you probably should have on hand upward of 10 vials or more, will you really be able to afford that yourself, and replace it every three years...that is, if it isn't already old when you get it? And about my venomous, actually the reason most are being sold (well, have been sold I should say) is that I'm focusing on my higher end projects, such as the taipans and albino retics. But if you're extra nice to me I may give you a good deal on my baby Oxy's, that is, if you feel like you can handle them at that time, lol. Oh, and why did the adult die? Well, the importer I got him from says they treat everything that comes in. Myself, being concerned with hurting him by stressing his system with too many antibiotics, did not want to treat him erroneously, and considering that he was in perfect shape and looked cb, I just let him be. He got sick one day and I scheduled a vet appointment for him the next, but having such fast metabolisms and not showing signs until it was too late, he was dead by the next day. I chock it up as a risk I took in getting an import, and true it was a mistake to not go ahead and treat him myself, but fear had nothing to do with it or anything else involving my venomous.
>Oh yeah, one last thing. Sorry man, I dont have anytime for English 101. Im too busy studieing herpetology, a class you are obviously not fimilar with. I could use spell check but why waist the extra few mins on somone who obviously did not want to hear the advice I gave him in the past.
That's unfortunate, because it makes anything you type annoying as crap to read to sift through all the misspellings and grammatical errors. Oh well, they're probably not worth reading anyway.
>Good luck not getting killed!! BTW, still useing your cape and face mask to handle mangroves?!?!
Actually, I just free handled the mangroves. They aren't too bad really, pretty easy to control. Heavy gloves come in hands for boomslangs that don't like to sit on hooks, but now mine have become so placid that they will even do that.
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by TAIPAN78 on November 4, 2003
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To answer your question, yes, coastals are kept outside of OZ. As a matter of fact, a few lucky people have them here in the states. Quite a few zoos are also in possesion of the sp. I cant speak for other countries though. Does that answer your question?
BTW, may I ask which country are you from and atleast your first name? Its sounds like you call OZ home but then wouldnt it be illegal to posses O.s.canni and all 4 sp of Dendroaspis since it is a non native animal? Do you work for a profesional facilty? Are you over in Europe? Just curious.
As for how many specimens I have worked with, only a few of each. I have seen and observed many polylepis in captivity and about 10 O.s.canni. Not that many to go by I know but hey, Im in the US. I dont have a choice! BTW, the kill factor of each sp or my experince is not what is in question. Rather the bogus knowledge being spewed out by somone who has disrespected me time and time again. However, since this is a public forum, I will refrain from my bashing of Chancy as to not ofend you who are obviously bothered.
Welp, curious as to were you call home and how you are leagly getting Inlands.
Regards,
Jeremy
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by stopgetinpopped on November 5, 2003
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Nope, here in the U.S. I work for a privately owned public zoo, The only Zoo in the U.S. other than us that has Coastals as far as I know is Omaha and I gave it to them.
I am just wondering who else has them.
Thanks
Terry
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by Chance on November 5, 2003
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Hey Terry. That's great to hear that there are keepers in this country that actually do have the mainland taipans. I know of a guy also in the US that is trying to acquire 1.1 mainland coastals and 1.1 inlands legally from someone in Europe. By the way, what is the deal with these European guys being able to get all this stuff we can't? lol, just curious. If I may ask, how much is the AV that covers Oxyuranus per ampule? I've been told almost $1,000 US, but that could be speculation.
So you think you may be able to get some inlands huh? That'd be really nice to see those in the US, much less to see them being bred. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the guy I know, and you as well. I'd personally like to see Australia open it's borders to proven cbb animals for export, but alas that day will probably never come. As it is, I guess I can only dream about keeping my dream snake (red-bellied black) and go from there. By the way, would you be able to devuldge the state in which your zoo is located? If I ever am in the area, I'd most definitely be interested in stopping by.
-Chance Duncan
http://www.rivervalleysnakes.com
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by stopgetinpopped on November 5, 2003
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Yup, South Dakota...look on the what is the biggest snake park in the world question in ask the experts.
You can buy Monovalent for Taipans at about 1000 dollars per vial give or take. The polyvalent (in this case )is a better serum if you plan on or have multiple Aussie snakes it is 1200 per vial, but the serum involved is the same quantity for mono or poly so the poly is a better way to go. The aussie's recommend to start with 3 vials and be prepared to administer 3 more vials in their papers for a taipan bite, but we stock better than 10 because of the unavailability in this country of that particular serum. being the cost and volume of the mono and poly is about the same we recommend the poly in this case . (generally the mono is much better in most snake anti venoms)
terry
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by adz91 on November 13, 2003
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As nearly all the posts say on this topic it depends on what you mean by "dangerous" a very agressive snake is the back mamba it is the worlds known fastest, usually strikes more then once at its victim plus has very potent venom. but on the other hand you have the taipan one of the only venomous snakes you see people handle yet it has the 3rd most potent venom yet discoered and is prettty dangerous.
thats my opinion
adam
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