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RE: North Carolina Snakes Taken
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Anonymous post on June 10, 2004
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I read the article, sounds like who ever it was, they were an IDIOT.....!
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by tj on June 10, 2004
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It's about time they start policing these idiots. I hope they start doing it with the dumb@sses you see in the kingsnake.com classifieds, before the hobby is gone completely. With all the press lately, it's not real hard to see that these people are not qualified enough to make the decision of how and who to properly sell the snakes to. What burns my @ss even worse, is the complete dumbf@ck ( sorry Karl or Thomas ) who operates the nature center that those snakes are going to. If anyone read the full article, this clown Bob Fay, who apparently knows absolutely nothing about venomous snakes, said that a gaboon will drop you in six steps.
With the d@uchebag vendors selling to everyone and anyone, and the biologists you read about in the paper who feel the need to make up things as they go along, we don't stand a chance.
-tj
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by BGF on June 10, 2004
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Here's what I wrote to Bob Fay at the Nature Center.
Cheers
B
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To:bfay@wildwnc.org
Dear Bob
I am writing to correct a couple statements you made concerning the gaboon vipers. First off, the name six-step snake has never been applied to this species (and such names are completely invalid in all cases since no venomous snake can kill in such a short period). Secondly, there are large stocks of antivenom against Bitis species held in various places in the SE US so a patient would actually survive long enough for treatment.
In this case, the cages weren't secure but there certainly appears to have been quite a bit of arbitrariousness in the seizure (particularly since the snakes were being held legally).
The keeping of venomous snakes as pets is something responsibly done by large numbers of private people and is something that I consider to have tremendous benefit scientifically and ecologically (people will want to preserve only that which they understand). While the trade in venomous snakes should not be completely open, it should be something than any responsible adult should be able to do. Banning it outright does not get rid of the snakes, it simply drives it underground with the obvious consequence that the people will not seek proper medical care in the event of a bite since they would be afraid of losing their snakes. Florida for example has a very rational permit system in place.
Regards
Bryan
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by Phobos on June 10, 2004
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Tallyho Bryan! Well said!
As "tj" stated the vendors need to stop selling to every currently warm body that passes their table at the shows I attend. I've witnessed two transactions that should never have happened:
One person was choosing between a Waglers and a E. Green Mamba when he asked the vendor to compare the effects of the venom on humans. He had no clue about hot snakes at all. At the last show a vendor sold a Rhino viper to a 16 year old.
If we don't do something to reign in this practice it will all go away, courtesy of the government. Government officials love simple problems like this to "fix" because they realize no one cares it they piss off "the wackos" that keep venomous reptiles. I wish more states would adopt Florida's permit system. It would simply weed out the "thrill seekers" and the un-trained keepers.
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