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by CottonmouthKyle on September 15, 2004
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Its not the same ones because we find the snakes miles from each other and none are the same size except for about two or three. I think that catching canebreaks and releasing them back into the woods later does not harm the snake at all. And whats wrong with trading someone a canebreak for something? Its no different than any other snake anyone owns!
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by Crotalus_Catcher on September 15, 2004
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They're not timbers, but I routinely catch WDB's on a guy's land and relocat them about 45 miles away. I have personally tracked several of them, and they are fine. We'll see if they are still around in the spring after they den up....
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Anonymous post on September 16, 2004
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Theres no difference at all........except they are wildcaught, and its illegal.
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by Nightflight99 on September 17, 2004
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Kyle, the anonymous poster is correct. Crotalus horridus populations are heavily reliant on adult survival. There often is just a small number of reproducing females supporting a given population, making the removal or capture of them extremely harmful for the longterm survival of the population. Gravid females are also the most likely specimens to be encountered, as they are typically more exposed than non-gravid females or males.
That being said, once a snake has been in captivity for some time, it is usually considered very risky to release it, even if it is placed at the exact location at which it was initially captured. The snake may have unintentionally become contaminated with pathogens that can prove disastrous to the wild population. I would recommend that you keep the animal, but strongly urge you to stop removing adult specimens in the future. We all love to see wild C.horridus - let's make sure that we conserve them for the future.
~TE
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by CottonmouthKyle on September 17, 2004
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You have a good point, before I read this message I decided that I would photograph them in the wild and leave them. I think that I will keep the three I have and release the babies once they are born. I have never seen neonate canebreaks before. Before, all we did was take pics and leave them. We just started doing snake shows and we wanted more than one specimen to show. I believe that if you keep using the snake over and over again in back to back shows, the snake will get stressed out and maybe die. I appreciate these snakes greatly and there is nothing like finding,catching,photographing, and releasing a canebreak in the wild.
The reason I wanted to trade or sale the ones I have is because I figured that they would die if I released them because of the long term captivity.
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by bush_viper17 on September 17, 2004
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I understand what you are saying. If you take just a few from the wild and teach people, you can probably save more in return. I think the reason anonymous was being so "hard" was because there are alot of people that just keep taking them from the wild for no reason. But nothing is better than teaching someone about something that is so feared. Especially when you hear them say "oh, how beautiful" or "I'm not going to kill anymore, I thought they were mean,and now that I see that they are just like any other wild animal,I will leave them to do there business" Just keep teaching and giving people your knowlege. Conservation is the Key.
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by bush_viper17 on September 17, 2004
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also, ive seen some neonate canebrakes before and they are SO beautiful. They are the most beautiful neonates Ive ever seen. They look like "mini-canebrakes"
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by bush_viper17 on September 17, 2004
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one more thing.I am the anonymous poster. I wasnt trying to make you mad. At first I thought that you just took them from the wild just because its fun, but Ive read your profile and Ive seen on this post that you give shows. I am a strong conservationist. Anyone that teaches the public about any wild animal and there habitat has my respect. Good luck with the babies.
Jeremy.
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by CottonmouthKyle on September 18, 2004
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Its Ok, I seen your point clearly and there are no hard feelings. There is one thing I would like to know. Does relocating a canebreak harm it in any way? I know spots where people rarely go and they are perfect areas for canebreaks. If it does not harm them, I think that would be a good thing to do. We do it with cottonmouths already. And we see some of the ones we have let go and they seem to be doing well.
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by bush_viper17 on September 21, 2004
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I have released canebrakes in different areas for certain reasons(like people clearing some land to move a house) and they did fine. Just check on them frequently and they should be okay, but ive heard of them dieng though.
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