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by Boaguy216 on December 8, 2004
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I have a question on venomoids. I have been hearing a bunch about them but aren't quite sure what they are? Could I just get whatever venomous snake I want and have a surgery to remove its venom? It would be nice if you respond.
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by ALA_herp31 on December 8, 2004
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Venomoids are venomous snakes that have either had their venom glandes removed sergicly or by sulective genetic breeding. The problem with this is that the snake still has its fangs and like any other animal contains bactearia in the mouth that can still couse a nasty bite. We at SHHS, do not suport or promote the venomoid trade. I myself consider it very barbaric. I do my best to descurage keepers from taking this rout, I have heard lots of beginers say that they are going to start their hot carear by keeping venomoids. If you do make a mastack wile handling venomoids it dose cut the risk down some what, but it helps you in no way learn how to properly handle a venomous snake. I truly hope that you do not plane to start with a venomoid thinking it will teach you to handle a venomous snake. Taking this rout will not teach you because you are not using a actual venomous snake to learn from, it is like taking a de-clawd tiger with its teeth filed down and trying to learn to keep it safly and thinking it would help you with a fuly capable animal. Im not trying to sound like Mom/Dad, but I am trying to save you from a big miscomseption that could in the long run kill you.....Happy herping Wally
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by Phobos on December 8, 2004
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Check this site out so you can see it for yourself.
http://www.snakegetters.com/demo/mamba/index.html
Al
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by Buzztail1 on December 8, 2004
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Here is an article from an SHHS member on the actual procedure: http://www.venomousreptiles.org/articles/55
I have heard a lot of comparisons to declawing or neutering cats but don't think that quite gets the horror of what is happening in unlicensed facilities across this country.
Picture it this way:
A young lady decides she wants to try sex before marriage. But she doesn't want to get pregnant. So, she finds a nice young man and invites him over for dinner, knocks him on the back of the head with a frying pan and while he is unconscious she uses a steak knife to remove his family jewels. Being a considerate young lady, she sews up the resultant wound with mom's sewing kit. The guy survives and stays with her (where else is he going to go now?) but after a few months she tires of him and offers him for sale or trade in the classifieds as she has her eyes on a bigger, cooler, new boyfriend (as she sharpens her knife).
There you go, a socially relevant overview of venomoiding.
Karl
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by ALA_herp31 on December 8, 2004
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Thats the best way ive ever heard it put Karl. Never would have thout of that one. I was trying my best to come up with a way to put it, but couldnt think of one "LOL". It is a truly barbaric thing to remove the only protection this animal has. I hope by all things I hold dear we can get this non-sence stoped.....Happy herping Wally
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by RepFan on December 9, 2004
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Karl,
Great analogy... I have never thought of it that way but man does it put in perspective. As you know I have had one before and let me just say to all interested parties, "That in my personal opinion I will never again!"This was not my entry into hots as I had a large collection before ever obtaining this one. The snake later died of a complication due to guess what? An ifection brought on by the surgery. This snake had the surgery three and half years prior to its demise.This was my favorite species of snake and it was heart breaking to see it suffer. It quickly went from a regal snake to that of the appearance of a D.O.R.(dead on roadside) snake.Though I didn't send this snake to be altered; I ultimately feel guilty for it's death and for profiting this pratice for I did buy it.I only wish I could go back in time and do things over. So, in closing I learned a invaluable lesson; unfortunately the snake had to die in order for me to learn it. Take a moment and think of your favorite species of venomous snake; now imagine you bought it as a venomoid or you elected to have it altered.Then you hear that is quickly declining in its natural habitat and is now listed critically endangered. Then imagine your altered snake dies due to operation... Please learn from my mistake.
Food for thought,
Todd
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by RedrumRattle on February 20, 2005
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I sincerely hope that the assholes who did that to those mambas got at least two fangs through ther reproductive organs
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