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RE: Honesty counting, how do you know?
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by Buzztail1 on December 28, 2004
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Matt,
I think that your question got buried in the rhetoric surrounding making venomous keeping an elite squad of approved snake keepers.
There is really no way to say that any one person is ready for a particular snake until they try. Preparation is key, as you say, but even experts with years of training and practice make mistakes. Hence, the rampant belief that if you keep venomous snakes, you will eventually be bitten. The best keeping practices would have you spend time under the tutelage of someone keeping the snake in which you are interested. If not available, try contacting such a person and asking a lot of questions. For instance, you just aren't going to learn enough about them to keep them by watching the mambas or king cobras at the zoo. They seem placid enough in their large enclosures. But what you don't see is the charge when the cage comes open. Or the lightning fast strike when food is offered. Or a myriad of other keeping nuances that a phenomenally large group of people have survived learning without tutelage and now want us all to believe that such keeping is easy. It is not.
I, personally, am not ready to keep large elapids. I have been keeping venomous for almost 30 years. I can tell you it is not a time alone issue. It is not something that you will achieve through years of keeping crotalids or viperids. You will have to spend time learning the body language and actions of the elapids themselves to be prepared to keep them.
There you go. Honest as you asked.
Hope this helps in your decision.
Karl
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by ALA_herp31 on December 28, 2004
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No matter how ready you think you are, the danger is always one slip of the hand away. Saying someone is ready for venomous keeping in any way would be dangerous, I have seen and heard of many venomous keepers that started with North American Native Hots and never got bite, but the minute they started keeping Exotic Hots, the bites started coming. Now as for myself, I started keeping venomous under a good trainer, he tout me how to keep my hands in the proper places and never take chances. I'm not saying that ppl should not keep Exotics, such as Bitis, Naja and so on, but they should at least try to find someone to help them in the learning how to handle.........Happy New Year, Wally
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RE: Honesty counting, how do you know?
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Anonymous post on December 28, 2004
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Karl,
His question got answered by someone who knows, ok?
It’s a good plan. It makes sense. There isn’t anything written on the web or published for anyone to read, written by someone who has walked the mile. It’s a year of ball pythons, and its off to mambas. I don’t see what is worth to knock an informative procedure because you have issues with me.
My point is that the overall scope is to discourage unqualified, inexperienced, individuals from purchasing impulsively.
-The Phantom
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by Dadee on December 30, 2004
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Karl,
I do appreciate the integrity you show from keeping to the topic and not trampling over someone who seeks advice on when others have "thought" to move on. I have kept snakes for a good deal of time and to simply shirk that off as "unqualified, or inexperienced" says to me that perhaps this community as a whole may have a few flaws.
On a side note, I just received from my mother for Christmas the VRWH volumes. Incredibly, I made it through the introduction. My head was whirling all about, with the back and forth of swapping species from one genera to another. Elevating one sub species to species status and vice versa. It was the epitomy of "stereo instructions". Finally onto the real reading in the first volume, I'm finding that without going through the "Anatomy - the evolution of the snake" course in college, I'm having to refer back to the internet on many terms.
Phantom, please take this as it should be taken, which is that "elitism" really does have no place in this forum. Esprit De Corps should stand for the entire community, since we all strive to know more and enhance the information disseminated to the public. By shuffling one off to a list for NOVICES, you are saying that "I'm better than you...so nyah". If you can see your way back to where you first learned, walk back through your steps. What happened along the path? You sought advice, sound wisdom from someone who had that bit that you were looking for, whether directly or indirectly. I'm glad that you were willing to give some information, that shows you do have the ability to share your knowledge. That is the whole of what we all come here for.
Wally, I've valued your inputs for a good deal of time and continue to do so. I'm sure we will meet up one day soon and share some breath taking stories. I'm on my way to Houston next week by way of Bama and could always stop to say hello.
Cheers all,
Matt
(hasn't owned balls or mambas, but feisty terrificus, EDBs, Piscivorous, and ill tempered bitis yes)
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Anonymous post on December 30, 2004
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Matt,
Thanks for the post.
Can't we all just get along and substitute "professionalism" for "elitism" so the point isn't lost?
In spite of placing webster's definition of the elite for all to read and elaborating my point time and time and time again, let me just say that I have never meant the term "elite" to be taken as "condescending", "arrogant", or "belittling". Such would have no place here or anywhere. Someone must teach others-this is part of what herpetoculture is about. "The Joy of Sharing".
Have you guys overlooked the contents of my posts in their entirety thus far on this site.....up until this point? Read them again. This is beyond ridiculous. How hard is it to take pride in what you do and do it the right way? Instruct. Lead. Share. Respect. Fellowship. Do you get it now?
-The Phantom
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