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RE: NC SENATE BILL 1032
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by timberrattlesnake89 on March 26, 2005
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It does seem that you will be able to keep venomous snakes that are native to NC. Also it seems there will be a permiting system instead of a complete ban. I do believe in permiting systems but as long as it is reasonable like the one in Florida.
Phillip
Live and Let Live
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by Rmitchell on March 26, 2005
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I don't know if it will help, but it looks like the bill is not a law yet. Also the regs for the permit are for animals already in our possesion, not for anything else. It states anything purchased before 1/1/06 can be kept with a permit per animal, but nothing new after that date. So i started a petition to stop it. Fortunatley with my business i have contracts in both NC & SC & a house in Columbia so i could just move to SC next year. Though all of my family & friends are here. Like i said i don't know if it will work, but before i leave the state i'm willing to try anything. If your interested in signing the link is http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/NCvenomousban
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by sceniccityreptiles on March 27, 2005
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It breaks my heart to see things like this take place in the south. I expect it from New York, but not here. Couple things that catch my attention. First off, far as I know this is the first bill in the south to ban boas, but I expect to see a lot more of that. You guys that don’t keep hots need to start taking notice. When they are down with us, they are coming for you. We have to put up as much of a fight as possible on every piece of legislation like this we see. You folks that live over there, you need to let Senator Garwood know how happy you are that something like this is how he is spending his time and your tax money. We can’t keep are enemies out, but we have time and resources to work on something like this. And the main thing that captures my attention is this list of Inherently Dangerous Animals. For those that do not already know, white tail deer are the number one killers of humans as far as animals are concerned in the US. Followed by horses, and then dogs. Pardon me if I missed it, but are any of the top three killers listed as Inherently Dangerous? Hell no, and the reason is political ramifications. Politicians can ban exotic animals cause the numbers of keeper is so low, they have no ramifications. If they tried to outlaw dogs or horses, who are actually killing people rather then killing people in theory, then there will be backlash. They are spineless, and want to only take actions that make the masses think they are doing something to help them and not upsetting any large cross section of the people. Domestic cats are responsible for more deaths per year in the US then all captive reptiles combines, however, no one is spearheading a movement to outlaw cats. I don’t know at level this bill is right now, but I hope it can be stopped. They posed one almost identical in WA state a while back and it was defeated. There is still a chance.
Phillip, I read it the same way you do on indigenous venomous, however, the DNR already has bans in place on keeping EDB, Canes, corals, and Pigs. If this passes, the only hots one could keep in NC would be coppers and cottons.
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by Matt_H on March 27, 2005
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I live in Illinois where all hots are banned unless you get a permit, which is near impossible unless you are an institution keeping them for scientific purposes. All constrictors over 6 feet long are also banned and listed as dangerous animals.
Two years ago there was an incident in Wisconsin where infected groundhogs were sold through a pet store and one of the customers who purchased one of these groundhogs was bitten. This caused officials to track down these groundhogs for confiscation.
As a result, the mayor of Chicago, Richard Daley, organized a comittee to draft a new law banning all exotic animals as well as certain species of dogs, birds, fish, etc. The draft was near completion and waiting to be voted on before the public had any idea what was going on. This caused an uproar in the herp community. The president of the Chicago Herp Society organized a group of herpetologists to spearhead the bill before it was passed into law. After several letters, phone calls, and meetings they were allowed to voice their opinion at an official committee meeting resulting in the committe realizing the bill was unreasonable and needed to be re-written. The group of herp specialists, led by the Chicago Herp Society, was allowed to participate in the re-writing of the bill. This is still in the process but at least the unrealistic version, that wanted to ban everything but a few dogs, cats, birds, and fish, was stopped.
This ia a perfect example of how powerful our voice can be if it is well thought out and presented by a group of professionals. Granted hot's are still not allowed in Illinois but that was law prior to this bill being proposed.
I think our best chance at fighting something like this is to organize a group of recognized professionals from a society, scientific institution, or educational institution to prepare an intelligent rebuttal and circulate a petition getting as many names as possible to sign it. Then you need to start making phone calls and send letters to the official who is heading up the committee and arrange a meeting to explain your side of why the proposal should be changed or adjusted. The goal should not be to make them change their mind because that will probably not happen, but get them to make a new decision based on new information.
I will go to the link and sign the petition, and I urge everyone here to do the same. After all, you may find yourself fighting the same type of ban in your state if we allow these things to happen elsewhere.
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by Rmitchell on March 27, 2005
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OK the info on the senator that wrote the bill. Everybody please call this guy & express your opinion on the matter.
Senator John A. Garwood
Office: 1118 Legislative Building, Raleigh, NC 27601-2808
Phone: (919) 733-5742
Email: Johnga@ncleg.net
Counties Represented: Alexander, Ashe, Watauga, Wilkes
Occupation: Retired
Address: 453 Mark Lane, North Wilkesboro, NC 28659
Phone: (336) 838-5378
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by Rmitchell on March 28, 2005
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Hey all. I decided to contact all the pet stores i know in the state. I figured they could spread the word to more people than just myself. Anyway i found out that no one knows anything about this bill. So it looks like they were going to try to sneak it in behind everyones back. OK just wanted to give some kind of an update.
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by MoccasinMan on March 28, 2005
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I appreciate the info! I'm writing to Senator Garwood, and to my Senator; Mark Basnight. I am also starting a petition that I will be taking to the NC Reptile Expo to gather signatures on April 29 & 30. Anyone who is a NC resident, and wants to sign, please e-mail me!
Andrew
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by NC_geckos on March 28, 2005
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I spoke with my senator Harry Brown today and he wants me to gather facts and statistics on animal related deaths and injurys so he can help stop this bill, if anyone would like to help post any facts here and I will make sure he gets them.
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