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by Az on February 12, 2006
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hey yall just thought i would tell you the news that i found the rock python dead today. I have no idea what killed it even though it was not the best of feeders i dont think that is what killed it. It did have scale rot in the first few weeks of feeding but i cleared that up shortly after. The temp was high 80s as i was told it would need to be. i did not go near the snake in times where it was not feeding as i knew this would increase any stress it may of had. I found it curled up on its back with its mouth open. when i fed the snake i used to cover it up to avoid any ditractions for it. please do not jump to the conclusion i did not care for this snake properly i did everything i could and would love to still have it i researched them before buying it and generally feel that there is not much i could of done to stop its death. if any of you have any other possible ideas what could of caused the shitty moment im all ears because i wish to learn and avoid this happening again. Happy herping peeps Aaron
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by MoccasinMan on February 12, 2006
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I'm sorry to hear about your loss. It could have been any number of things. Pet stores are notoriously bad places to obtain animals. Animals at pet stores often carrry parasites and/or disease. It is impossible to diagnose what exactly your problem was. I doubt it had anything to do with not feeding well. That may have been a symptom of the underlying problem but probably not the cause of death.
I would suggest your next acquisition come from a reputable breeder. There are a number in the UK. There are many here in the states that will ship to the UK.
good luck,
Andrew
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by Az on February 12, 2006
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I dont mean to sound like someone who is not willing to listen but i assure you the store i got it from have nothing to do with this i have bought other snakes of them and they are fine n healthy and are both about 5 years old now. Also it is a reptile shop only and they only sell snakes and lizards pretty much.
I do wonder as to weather it may of swollowed some substrate as last time e fed it it did not take the mouse but must of done something with it as the mous was down the other end of the tank. Iwas using rainforest substrate as i was told to do and that has crossed my mind as to what the problem was. Thanks for the reply i just wanted to state about the shop that when they had it it was feeding etc. Myabe it just never settled properly i dont no. thanks once again for you reply though. I think a boa will be my next choice of snake as i no people with them and if i encounter trouble i wont be stuck with a snake that nobody who lives close to me knows nothing about.
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by MoccasinMan on February 12, 2006
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I don't know what it was... but unless you are using some kind of toxic substrate, it didn't kill your snake. I didn't mean to dis your pet shop, but in my experience they are terrible. Your python most likely had serious problems when you got it. Now it is dead. Learn from your mistakes... or repeat them. I don't really care. I was just trying to help you understand what went down.
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Andrew
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by MoccasinMan on February 12, 2006
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I apologize for my last post. I do care. I was irritated by the fact that you ask for advice or opinions, but you seem to only see what you want to see. This is not the first time you have done this. When you first wanted to buy the African python you came to me because I was one of the only people who didn't tell you not too. I told you not to get it from a pet store and you ignored my suggestion. When you had trouble getting it to feed I gave you suggestions that required patience and consistancy. You ignored them because you thought there was a quick fix. Now your snake has died and you want some answer why from this forum. You will have to look in the mirror and examine what you have done and the situation that you created. I doubt that the snake died as the result of something you did, but you will have to answer that question for yourself. Everyone in this hobby has had snakes die. It sucks! The real question is... Will you learn from this and make better decisions in the future? or will you avoid owning up to your responsibility in it because it is unpleasant?
Andrew
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by Cro on February 12, 2006
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Aaron: It is too bad that your rock python died.
You were right to research how to care for the snake before you got it. And your husbandry of the snake concerning caging, substrate, food, shelter, temperature all seemed to be good. So, it is not likely that anything you did killed the snake.
However, I would agree with Andrew about the pet shop. Even the very best of pet shops have problems and sick animals.
Even though you have purchased other animals there that lived, and even though the shop sells only reptiles, does not mean that all of the animals are healthy.
Your rock python had scale rot when you got it. This indicates that the shop had not cared for it as well as they should have. They should not have sold it until they had healed the problem.
Also, you must consider that the rock python was probably not born at the pet store. They probably obtained it from a wholesaler. Thus it was stressed in the shipping process from the wholesaler to the pet shop. And the wholesaler probably did not breed the python also, they probably bought it from a breeder somewhere. Thus it was stressed when it was shipped from the breeder to the wholesaler. Perhaps it was even shipped from the US or Africa. Who knows how crowded it was when it was shipped? Or how dehydrated it got? Or, if it got too hot or cold? Or, if the box was dropped? Or, if it was in with other animals that were sick? Or, if the shipment was fumigated with a pesticide? The point is that there were many, many oportunitys for the snake to be injured way before it ever made it to your pet store. There is also the possibility of an inborne genetic defect that killed the snake.
It is not an easy life for a young snake to make it to a pet store. Many, many die before ever arriving. And if they do arrive alive, they just might quickly die of stress. Even the best pet store in the world, with the most caring people can do nothing about what happens to the snake before it gets there.
The way to avoid this, is to avoid pet stores, and find people who breed snakes locally, and purchase from them. That way, you can see the parent snakes, and the siblings, and the way the breeder keeps his animals before you make a purchase. You will also have a valuable resource locally you can go back to for advise if you run into problems with the snake.
As far as a boa as your next pet, consider how it got to the pet shop. Try if you can to find someone locally who breeds them, even if you have to get on a waiting list for next years young. That way, you will have a much better chance at a healthy animal.
Hope this helps some. Best Regards JohnZ
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by Az on February 13, 2006
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hey peeps cheers for the replys. I have thought about having things shipped in from breeders like the ones i was told about on kingsnake.com. I do really want to learn from this mistake or from whatever happened to the rock python. I seriously doubt i will purchasee another rock python in the near fututre and will more than likely purchase a boa for my second large snake. I do feel bad in the fact that it is a bit late to be saying that now that rock python is dead. I did not purchase this snake out of ignorance and as a ego boost i want to reassure people that. I will look into getting a snake shipped from a breeder but untill i get any highly recomended of which i have had none then the shop i go is my only resort. If anyone has any links etc to any good relaible breeders i will be happy to look into them. cheers for the help and stuff. Aaron
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by Az on February 13, 2006
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hey peeps cheers for the replys. I have thought about having things shipped in from breeders like the ones i was told about on kingsnake.com. I do really want to learn from this mistake or from whatever happened to the rock python. I seriously doubt i will purchasee another rock python in the near fututre and will more than likely purchase a boa for my second large snake. I do feel bad in the fact that it is a bit late to be saying that now that rock python is dead. I did not purchase this snake out of ignorance and as a ego boost i want to reassure people that. I will look into getting a snake shipped from a breeder but untill i get any highly recomended of which i have had none then the shop i go is my only resort. If anyone has any links etc to any good relaible breeders i will be happy to look into them. cheers for the help and stuff. Aaron
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by keyz on February 13, 2006
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Az I am really sorry about you loosing the python as i know you had given him the best shot at survival, as mentioned pet shops can sometimes get in a snake thats sick but they dont bother to quarantine animals because of the fast turn over rate of reptiles, are you considering getting a replacement and what might it be?
best wishes Az, kieron
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by Az on February 13, 2006
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I am looking towards a common boa keyz. Can i ask you keyz where do you get your snakes from. As you can see in the above posts many people hear warn strongly against reptile stores etc due to the stress the animals go through in getting there. The store i go do breed some of there own animals such as boas and corns etc but the rock python was farmed and i am not shore where that was brought in from. If you no any breeders etc hear in the uk would you be able to inform me on there where abouts. hope all is well Aaron
(ps sorry about posting one of my posts twice not to sure how that happened only just noticed that i had done it)
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