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by ssshane on March 8, 2006
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Hello all. What method is best used to ship snakes (hots)? I have had people tell me they used or received animals with various things written on the box. Can you not be honest with them so care will be taken with the animal? I live in North Carolina. Thanks everyone.
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by Rob_Carmichael on March 9, 2006
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There is really only one responsible and acceptable method for shipping venomous snakes:
1) Ship via an air freight carrier like Delta. Do not ship via USPS, UPS, etc.
2) Bag the snake first, knot the bag and then add a plastic zip tie above the knot. Bags should be heavy duty, double stitched and preferably, corner stitched with a loop hole.
3) Place that bag in either a second bag, or, a mesh bag just in case the first bag fails. That bag should also be knotted and wire tied (plastic zip tie). If you are shipping a neonate, you may have to place that animal in a deli type of cup but that cup should have the lid completed sealed with electrical tape and then two cross paths around the entire deli cup. The cup can then be placed in a pillow case which is then knotted and wire tied and then inside an additional mesh bag or pillow case.
4) Place the double bagged snake inside a cardboard/styro lined standard reptile shipping box (that is labeled "VENOMOUS SNAKE" along with the common name, species name and quantity and make sure box has a few ventilation holes) that is properly taped shut and then place that box inside a heavy duty wooden crate with a limited amount of ventilation holes and space around the cardboard box (any gaps are filled with shredded paper for insulation). Top should be screwed shut. If you are shipping in the winter time, you may have to add one or two 48-hour heat packs (Bean Farm sells them). I usually duct tape one on the inside roof of the actual box that the snakes are in and then one additional one in the wooden box area. If shipping during hot summer months, not good but sometimes necessary, I will place a cold pack (frozen blue ice) in the wooden part of the box.
5) The wooden crate should be clearly labeled "LIVE VENOMOUS SNAKE" along with the common name and species name on at least two sides of the box (top and one side but I usually do all sides including the top). Additionally, you should say something to the effect of "Keep at Room Temperatures" or "Avoid Temperature Extremes - Ideal Temps are 65-75 degrees F." I also put my phone number and my cell phone number on the box just in case something goes wrong.
Hope this helps. Don't try to be sneaky when it comes to shipping venomous snakes; it will give everyone a black eye.
Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center
Lake Forest, IL
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by tj on March 9, 2006
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Rob is right on the money, couldn't have expected anything less from him. And he is definitely right when he says not to be sneaky, it's a good way to not only get shipping banned, but more venomous bans as well. I had a clown a few years back who wanted me to ship an eyelash viper to him via UPS, needless to say it didn't happen, nor did he get my snake. If you're going to do something involving an already tainted hobby (living for some people), do it right. It's only fair for the ones who have been fighting for the rights to keep these animals, and fair for the unsuspected people who don't know what may or may not be in the box being shipped.
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by stopgetinpopped on March 9, 2006
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Not too mention that being "sneaky" is also a violation of Federal Law. The Lacy Act.
All shipments must be labeled Live Venomous Reptile and shipped as per IATA regulation, much as Rob laid out above.
To do otherwise is not only immoral but illegal.
T-
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by petra on March 9, 2006
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I also have a question regarding shipping venomous. I know you have to be delta certified. I was wandering how to do that, who do I call? I don't need it right now but, I may in a future.
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by mike_anthony on March 9, 2006
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All you have to do is go to the Delta Airlines website at this link
http://www.delta.com/business_programs_services/delta_cargo/cargo_flight_availability/cargo_forms_applications/known_shipper_request/index.jsp
and fill out the application. They will contact you via telephone to set up a site visit. Also, they will send you an e-mail with some forms that you must print and fill out. You will give the filled out forms to the person conducting the site visit. This visit is to verify that you have a verified address in which to ship from. If you plan on using your home as a shipping address, then they will have a representative visit you there. You need to have at least two forms of proof that you live there, such as utility billing statements. They will have you then sign a few forms. Afterwards, you will be a known shipper. Also, when they first contact you, ask them for a venomous shipping container instruction sheet. It will detail the exact requirements in constructing a proper venomous shipping container.
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by petra on March 10, 2006
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Mike,
I appreciate your help. It sounds easier than I've expected. I am familiar with shipping venomous and a shipping container as I had venomous snakes shipped to me. All I needed is the info you gave me. Thanks!
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by tj on March 11, 2006
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Not that easy. Delta doesn't do known shippers anymore, so if you aren't grandfathered in, you'll need to find someone who is.
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by Rob_Carmichael on March 11, 2006
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That is correct.....I just barely got mine in before they stopped the verified shipping status; PHEW. I am oftentimes contacted by area breeders to ship stuff but I have to be very careful in who I associate with and generally only do this for close friends or colleagues. Hopefully, this won't lead to more illegal shipping of snakes through non approved methods.
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by petra on March 11, 2006
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Well thanks for the info. As I said I don't really need it right now and actually I do have a good friend who is certified so it's not such a big deal. (I'm not a breeder. It's just my hobby)
I'm afraid it will increase the number of illegal shipments - I came across dealers that would try to ship DHL or UPS just because they were not certified. (someone actually offered to ship a cobra via UPS and swore to me it's safe and that he does it all the time...) People don't realize how unreliable those carriers are, even if the package arrives unopened it can easily end up at the wrong address - and what a surprise if someone opens it...It's pretty sad, it only leads to more laws prohibiting keeping venomous.
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