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for those that can keep only native hots..........
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by rickyduckworth on June 16, 2006
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where do you draw the line?
i know here, billy bob the wildlife ranger couldn't tell a trans-pecos copper from a southern......or even an odd phase western diamondback from an eastern diamondback....or a lot of other snakes that are definitely not native but similar to those who are....they can pick out the cobras, mambas and gaboons but just seems that getting too picky wouldn't be worth their time since so many phases exist and dna testing may be required to build a case......
or what about timbers and canes? i'm still fuzzy on those details when not talking about dna differentiation.....locale may not apply since so many are CB and i don't see how it could.......
just seems that this is another reason a permit system SHOULD be set up because it makes them look foolish trying to enforce something as vague as "native only" when there is no real list because "native species" is even debatable nowadays.........
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by thenewdisciple on June 17, 2006
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i would venture to say that native only rules can be worked with, if a states gonna allow you to have an eastern, they probly wont care about you owning a western, the same goes with all the subspecies of coppers and other extremely similar snakes. in my state (north carolina) i have been told by alot of people that the state doesnt care about keepers having canebrakes, but they do care about timbers.
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by Cro on June 17, 2006
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The problem is that most states dont want to have to figgure out different species, so they pass all encompasing laws that outlaw everything.
It is the lazy and easy thing to do.
Aaron, have you joined the NCARK yet? They are working to create good reptile laws in your state, before the state creates bad laws ! Search NCARK here for links, and send them a donation and sign their petition, and get involved, if you value the ability to keep keeping reptiles in your state.
JohnZ
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by Buzztail1 on June 18, 2006
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As a matter of fact, GA DNR does care.
The way that several DNR officers have explained GA law to me is:
Subspecies are legal.
Therefore, all Sistrurus miliarius are legal (including streckeri) and all Agkistrodon contortrix are legal (including laticinctus, etc) and so on.
However, Crotalus atrox IS NOT a subspecies of anything which occurs naturally within GA and THEY WILL NAIL YOU FOR IT.
I have seen a few that they have confiscated.
Just passing on what I have learned,
Karl
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by BWSmith on June 19, 2006
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The wildlife laws in Georgia are strange. They are getting bit in the rear at the moment by not having the foresight to make specific regulations dependant on type of animal, reptiles for example. Georgia law specifies that any native venomous species is legal while native nonvenomous species require permits. That means that yes, one could keep Broadbands, Transpecos, Western Pygs, etc. Georgia does not recognize subspecies at all according to the regulations. So now they are having an issue because, under law, all native nonvenomous species are illegal. This includes species like Lampropeltis triangulum and lampropeltis getulus and ALL of their subspecies. So technically, Hoduran Milksnakes and California Kingsnakes are illegal. I submitted a full breakdown to GA DNR recently. You can see how much of a NSAFU this is in Analysis of Georgia Species and Subspecies http://www.reptileeducation.com/index.php?pid=16
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by Cro on June 19, 2006
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B.W. Hopefully, this is an opportunity to improve the GA Reptile laws, and not make them more restrictive. Perhaps it is time for us here in GA to form a group like NC did with NCARK, and to try to introduce sound legislation. If we can take the initiative, before they correct the problem in the way the current laws are written, we might just be able to un-do 30 years of bad legislation. What is the chance of us introducing reasonable laws to them? Are there people in the DNR who would work with us?
What do others here think?
Best Regards JohnZ
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by BWSmith on June 19, 2006
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GA DNR recently went through a MAJOR restructuring. But we still have a few good herper friendly folks in there. Hopefully there will be positive changes. But as with anything government, it will be a long time coming.
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