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by AlanHyde on January 23, 2007
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I bought two baby female gaboons from Hamm Germany this past December, I considered both to be a risk due to the fact they were WC or WF.
I wormed them and treated both with flagyl and both responded well. They are Healthy and chunky and producing parasite free stools. However one is a really difficult feeder which I see as unusual because i've kept many before. Not only does she refuse defrost or fresh killed flat but, she will not even take live unless i tub her and put a live mouse inside. The tub has to be small and it can take up to half an hour untill she gets so pi***d at the mouse that she bites it,Only then will she eat and she never holds on to the prey.
I've tried-
Leaving food in overnight
Teasing tail to nose
Dragging food items over the substrate.
warming the mouse to increase scent
Any ideas or thoughts?
Thanks,
Al
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by nasicornis1 on January 23, 2007
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hey alan
of the gabbys i have had....some ate the same way when they were young. I usually found out that just leaving the f/t rodent in the cage over night after minor teasing they ate ok. heck i have even left it sitting on them. try that and see if it works.
michael
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by milksnakegreg on January 23, 2007
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i think that if you boil the mous just enough to heat it and use long tongs to move it in front of his nose he will eat
i just got a busmaster a few weeks ago that had the same prob now he eats hope it works
greg hulse
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by ALA_snake33 on January 23, 2007
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Greg: I see in your Profile that you are 14 Years Old. I also see in your Post that you say you are Keeping a Member of the Genus Lachesis, or otherwise known as the Bushmaster. Well, First off let me tell you that the Species you say you are Keeping, are among the Most Dangerous and One of the Largest Venomous Snakes found in the Americas and do require a “LOT” of Training to Keep and Handle Safely.
Now as for the other thing that bothers me. You are only 14, yet you are Keeping a Snake that isn’t even a Native to Kansas. I think either you are lying, or you have somehow gotten someone to Sell you this Very Dangerous Snake.
In the State of Kansas, the Laws Read as such:
Kansas:
Native Venomous: No permit required for less than 5 specimens of each species
Exotic Venomous: Permit required
Protected Native Venomous: Permit required
Timber Rattlesnake (Crotalus horridus)
Kansas Department of Wildlife & Parks
Route 2, Box 54A
Pratt, KS 67124-9599
Greg: If you are “by chance” Keeping the Species you Mentioned above, I pray that you would Call your Local Wild Life Center and ask them to find it a home with someone that has the Proper Permits.
PS: Greg, do this for all of us, so that you are not added to the Deaths accounted for by Venomous Snakes. By doing this you would make it easier on all of us.
Be Safe Ya’ll, Happy Herping : Wally
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by ALA_snake33 on January 23, 2007
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Greg: I found something here for you to Read. This is what would happen to you, if “By Chance” you took a Bite from a Bushmaster and it is not Pretty.
Clinical Effects: Of A Bushmaster Bite
General: Dangerousness Severe envenoming likely, high lethality potential
General: Rate of Envenoming: Unknown but likely to be high
General: Local Effects Marked local effects; pain, severe swelling, bruising, blistering, necrosis
General: Local Necrosis Uncommon but can be moderate to severe
General: General Systemic Effects Variable non-specific effects which may include headache, nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, diarrhoea, dizziness, collapse or convulsions
General: Neurotoxic Paralysis Does not occur, based on current clinical evidence
General: Myotoxicity Does not occur, based on current clinical evidence
General: Coagulopathy & Haemorrhages Common, moderate to severe coagulopathy + haemorrhagins causing extensive bleeding
General: Renal Damage Recognised complication, usually secondary to coagulopathy
General: Cardiotoxicity Does not occur, based on current clinical evidence
General: Other Shock secondary to fluid shifts due to local tissue injury is likely in severe cases
As you can see, it is not a Walk in The Park. This is a very Dangerous and Lethal Bite, just look at this Picture and then tell me you want to keep your Bushmaster http://www.capefearserpentarium.com/images/ouch2.jpg.
Be Safe Ya’ll, Happy Herping : Wally
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by milksnakegreg on January 24, 2007
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I am glad you told me this i didnt know it was so dangerous do you kmow anyone that would take it i guess your right maybe i should staart with something different
any ideas i would be happy to give anyone who you recomend this snake for. i am a little attached to it but would give it up for my safety
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by milksnakegreg on January 24, 2007
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I just called my grandpa who is a liscenced herp keeper in kansas and has been keeping venomous about 23 years and he agreed to keep the the snake he is going to pick it up while im at school and i thank you for your concern wally thanks for everything. i know i am not that experienced but i was wondering if you could help me learn more on handling venomous reptiles. do you have any species suggestion evev non venomous would be fine i am kind of sad because now i dont have any snakes
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by AlanHyde on January 24, 2007
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Thanks muchly for the answers so far, much appreciated.
However, i've tried these methods already, any other ideas anyone?
Thanks
PS I definitely understand your concerns Wally, and i'm glad to hear you're being sensible about this Greg, good move finding another keeper
All the best,
Alan
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