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by sarecho7280 on January 27, 2007
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wasn't really one particular snake. there is no specific species but it's based on claims that a bite could kill you by the time you took 2 steps, which is obviously not true. 'nam has quite a few venomous snakes and i'm sure it applied to ALL snakes since ID isn't the average person's strong point, especially in a foreign country
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by tj on January 27, 2007
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They usually are taking about mamushi or certain tree vipers. Neither of which are true.
I think d. acutus is also one of the two steppers.
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by ALA_snake33 on January 28, 2007
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I would reckon it could be some of the Snakes in the Agkistrodon Complex, such C. rhodostoma and D. acutus, both have very Rotten Bites. And one of these Snakes, is thought to have the largest Fang sizes for its Body size in the World.
Be Safe Ya’ll, Happy Herping : Wally
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by jared on January 28, 2007
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Trim albalaborus is considered the 2 step viper. It and the various ssp of trims are all commonly refered to as bamboo vipers and there are several ssp in Vietnam they would have used for would be "tunnel rats" trying to snipe them out. Typically albalaborus or white lip viper seems to be the most commonly available for that use. Dinos D. acutus are more commonly refered to as Chinese copperheads or 100 pace snakes and I believe are found in the northern portion of nam. The acutus, is much more likely to kill u but less likely to stay on a stick hanging in a darkened tunnel, the white lip would hang on that "t" all day. Hope it helps,
Jared
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by FlaSnakeHunter on January 30, 2007
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Jared,
This is somewhat off the subject, however, in 2004, many of the species of the Trimeresurus complex were reclassified by Malhotra and Thorpe, who "used phylogenetic analysis of four mitochondrial genes to analyse the phylogeny of the Asian pitvipers. Their analyses, supported by additional evidence from hemipenial morphology and aspects of scalation, defined a number of well-defined species groups, particularly within Trimeresurus sensu lato. On this basis, the genus Trimeresurus was split into 7 genera. The genus Trimeresurus now contains solely the species from the Indian subcontinent as well as the T. puniceus group. Malhotra & Thorpe resurrected the genus Parias Gray, 1849 for the Indomalayan sumatranus-hageni group, Cryptelytrops Cope, 1860 for the albolabris group, Peltopelor Gunther, 1864 for the species macrolepis, and describe the new genera Viridovipera for the stejnegeri group, Popeiapopeiorum complex, and Himalayophis for the species tibetanus. The Table below shows the allocation of the species previously included in TrimeresurusOvophis chaseni was found to be unrelated to other Ovophis, and Malhotra and Thorpe named the new genus Garthius to accommodate this species. Trimeresurus gracilis was shown to be the sister group of what is currently referred to as Ovophis okinavensis, but these two are not closely related to O. monticola."
Thus, the White Lipped Tree Viper (albolabris) is now Cryptelytrops albolabris.
A link for this information:
http://biology.bangor.ac.uk/~bss166/Updates/Crotalinae2004.htm
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