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by JSargent on January 29, 2007
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i know there are albino cottonmouths being breed and sold,but does anyone really have albino copperheads. i know of one that came from hayward's place,T+ male that has since vanished. but are there any others out there? we have all heard rumors of others,but does anyone have or seen proof of any others.
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by lep1pic1 on January 29, 2007
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I had one and lost it this year when my heater malfunctioned. It was wc from abilene tx. it was nice Ihave no pictures.
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by JSargent on January 29, 2007
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he was gonna buy it,but odnr busted him for albino black rats and he was unable to afford it,with the odnr fines....
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by JSargent on January 29, 2007
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how could you not document such an important animal or let it die...that is what mentors are for...someone should have been force feeding it...they are so few and far between....it is like the savanna place...i hate to see animals go there, because they have no interest in breeding. they have an albino canebrake,hypo cottonmouth and i just learned they may have recieved two wild caught albino cottonmouths this year...that kinda made me sick,to say the least. GA is so screwed up with it's legistration on reptiles,it is one big snake infested area,but it is the line between Fl ssp and eastern. not to say i'm not into saving our beloved snakes.but banning all... i get occatee looking corns from any coastal are in SC, heck half came from keith taylor out of cayce,sc. half the corns i find look like occatees the other like what some call red rats, as if there may be a differance. after breeding local corns for some years i think it is all just survival mode. sometimes the redder ones thrive sometimes the duller ones,alot has to be luck,for i have found both within yards of each other on numerous occasions. on corn nights(as i like to call them)i have found numerous corns of both various on stretchs with as many as six or seven animals. never do you find only one color morph, always about 50/50...i do believe that rules must be put in place to preserve our natives,but albinos don't count. 99% would die in nature, and they are like our domestics. only available cause we care....and love their beauty!!!
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by JSargent on January 30, 2007
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sorry reread and see heater mal...still should of took pics of fresh dead if possible....was it produced from a wild caught and you have sibs or just found. do you know where it came from and are you able to hunt this area?
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by tj on January 30, 2007
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"i hate to see animals go there, because they have no interest in breeding. they have an albino canebrake,hypo cottonmouth and i just learned they may have recieved two wild caught albino cottonmouths this year...that kinda made me sick,to say the least."
Why does that make you sick? Because they aren't bred or sold to someone who will breed them and make big bucks? I actually find that refreshing. They have a good home there and that's all that's really needed to be said.
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by AquaHerp on January 30, 2007
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I'd be interested to know where this snake came from too. Just finding a copperhead period in Abilene is tough enough.
Was this in the Fort Phantom area, or perhaps actually outside of Abilene such as Cross Plains or Baird? I've seen a few strange copperheads come out of that area. Was the snake preserved in a collection, maybe in Dr. Lee's menagerie over at ACU?
Doug Hotle
General Curator
Abilene ZOOlogical Gardens
Abilene, Texas
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by jared on January 30, 2007
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The only TRUE albino I have seen (and my table was next to mikes when he had the animal) was the albino female osage at the ST louis zoo, which from what I understand was bred repeatedly to male osages and never took. It happens sometimes, rarely with coppers, but sometimes they dont take, ever. A gent in NC produced an aberrant several years ago that was smokin and I know of both true melanistics (mike had a nice one of those, woulda got it if it wasnt venomoid) coming out of small pops around jordan lake NC and all along the blue ridge mountains of VA. I have seen full stripes from louisiana, SC, TX, and GA, and osages from missouri. There are lots of these animals out there, the key, knowing who has them.Spotted and full spotted and full zigzags (like vipera) have also been observed. BTW, the venomoid male melanistic mike had was also picked up by a gent who bought 20 adult females WC,from another vendor at the show. just something I observed, so I am sure some poor dedicated souls are working on it.my .2
Jared Watts
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by lep1pic1 on February 2, 2007
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The lat was collected on 36 20 miles south of Abilene it had white eyes not pink . It was powder white and light pink with a translucent belly.I preserved it in freezer for photo at my sons house. My sons house burned down lost only 2 live snakes a female lep from upton county we were saveing for tim cole a spec but the whole kitchen burned freezer and all. So I was sick all over agin.I think it was T + . PS I was going to breed her she was a female
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