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by milksnakegreg on January 31, 2007
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will a wild caught copperhead make an okay first hot any suggestions are apreciated i have not gotten a hot yet becauese there are so many choices and i like them all. i would also like to try an aboreal viper but dont know if it will be a good choice to start with maybe bothrops scheleglii
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by jared on January 31, 2007
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Larger individuals are more difficult to acclimate(esp older adult males) and can be finicky. Overall, like a red rat, easy to get goin as long as you dont mess with the animal and give it time to become comfortable. Animals in the 1-2 ft range usually make exceptional specimens and easily take adult mice. Hope it helps,
Jared
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by bush_viper17 on January 31, 2007
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No wild animal in general makes a good first pet, but I started out with a wild caught copperhead and didnt have much trouble. Some eat and thrive in captivity while others refuse to eat and wither away. You would do good by going to a venomous expo or look on the internet and buy a captive specimin from a respected dealer. With the knowledge I have from the very few arboreal vipers that I have worked with, I wouldnt recommend getting one unless you are confident in your keeping abilities and have an extensive knowledge of the particular species as well as arboreal snakes in general. Ive heard that alot of arboreals are picky eaters, they are easily excited and are extremely hard and dangerous to handle.
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by ALA_snake33 on February 1, 2007
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Greg: Please give us some idea of what Snakes you have worked with first, because I don’t think most of the Keepers on here are going to give you any time on this if you don’t. I also recall telling you that it is Illegal to Keep Exotic Venomous in the State of Kansas, yet you are still asking about getting you First Hot “A Bothrops Of All Things”. Greg, you need to get your Story Right First, then come back when you understand the Legal Ramifications of Keeping a Exotic Venomous Snake in a State that has Laws against it.
I don’t know how many times you have been Educated on the Laws of your State on here, but you just seem to want to ignore them “LOL”. By doing this, you will never earn any Respect from anyone on this Site.
PS: I am by no means trying to Scrutinize you, but you need to understand how Dangerous Venomous Snakes actually are, before you ever even Consider Keeping one “Yes Even A Copperhead”.
Be Safe Ya’ll, Happy Herping : Wally
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by milksnakegreg on February 2, 2007
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Thanks for your concerns and i probably will not get an eyelash viper right now and yes i have talked to everyone i need to and they all say its ok to keep native hots they said i need a permit for exotics. as far as what i have worked with. I have worked wit burms retics emeralds balls kingsnakes milksnakes cornsnakes ratsnakes whitelips colubian redtails and common boas and copperheads (though ive never kept any or touched them always used a hook) and i know its hard but not impossible to do it if theres a will theres a way i just want one of the least aggresive hots that i can start out with and eyelash vipers and copperheads have always been my favorites i really like broad bands also what about cotton mouths i know pygmys someone said was good but they are not native are they
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by milksnakegreg on February 2, 2007
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Copperhead (Agkistrodon contortrix)
Cottonmouth (Agkistrodon piscivorus)
Timber Rattlesnake (Crotalus horridus)
Prairie Rattlesnake (Crotalus viridis)
Massasauga (Sistrurus catenatus)
i found out these hots are native to Kansas and want to know which one is a nice looking less aggresive hot. i dont know what a massasauga is. i know these are legal to have and can probably buy most of them are any of them protected
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by Cro on February 2, 2007
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Greg, you are right about native venomous snakes in Kansas, they are not regulated, but non-native to Kansas venomous snakes are.
"REGULATIONS SET FOR OWNERSHIP OF CAPTIVE ANIMALS
Wildlife and Parks Commission approves caging, handler training requirements
PRATT -- The Kansas Wildlife and Parks Commission has approved minimum standards for caging certain captive animals, as well as training requirements for handlers of those animals.
At its Oct. 26 public hearing in Chanute, the commission approved a regulation establishing caging requirements and minimum standards for persons who possess lions, tigers, mountain lions, jaguars, cheetahs, leopards, bears, and non-native venomous snakes."
That leaves you the Copperhead, Timber Rattlesnake, and Massasauga Rattlesnake as possible animals to keep.
Any other venomous snake, including the Pygmy Rattlesnake you mentioned, would require you to be 18 and have to purchase a permit, and meet and have approved caging standards, and to carry an insurance bond.
Given your choices, it would seem that a Copperhead would be a good animal to keep, or perhaps a Massasauga Rattlesnake, although I think they are becoming somewhat rare in many areas. Timber Rattlesnakes get large and are much more dangerous, so I would not suggest them.
After you turn 18, you could then consider if you want to go through the permit process required to keep non-native to Kansas venomous snakes.
Best Regards JohnZ
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