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by emtnurse on February 18, 2007
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Just curious if anyone knows the snakes of Southwest Asia??? Or where I can find a list of them. Had a patient tell me he was bitten by a sand viper in Kuwait. Reading his history he was a sick bay commando and just hearing his story about the incident didnt make sense to me. Thanks for your help. Bryan
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by Buzztail1 on February 19, 2007
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The following information is from www.toxinology.com regarding the snakes of Kuwait:
1. Astrotia stokesii - Stoke's Sea Snake
2. Cerastes gasperettii - Arabian Horned Viper
3. Echis sochureki - Sochurek's Carpet Viper
4. Enhydrina schistosa - Beaked Sea Snake
5. Eryx jaykari - Arabian Sand Boa
6. Hydrophis cyanocinctus - Blue-banded Sea Snake
7. Hydrophis gracilis - Graceful Small-headed Sea Snake
8. Hydrophis lapemoides - Persian Gulf Sea Snake
9. Hydrophis ornatus - Ornate Sea Snake
10. Hydrophis spiralis - Narrow-banded Sea Snake
11. Lapemis curtus - Malabar Sea Snake
12. Malpolon moilensis - Hooded Malpolon
13. Malpolon monspessulanus - Montpellier Snake
14. Pelamis platurus - Yellow Bellied Sea Snake
15. Platyceps rhodorachis - Jan's Desert Racer
16. Platyceps ventromaculatus - Glossy Bellied Racer
17. Pseudocerastes persicus - False-horned Viper
18. Thalassophina viperina - Olive Sea Snake
19. Vipera albicornuta - Iranian Mountain Viper
20 Walterinnesia aegyptia - Black Desert Cobra
For each snake, several "common names" were listed. I only listed what I felt was the most common in the interests of space. Cut and paste does not work well on that website, so I typed all of this in here. I hope you find this useful.
Karl
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by scalesandshells on February 19, 2007
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Just to let you know...When I was over there in 90-91, I was told about a sand viper biting a soldier. We had to instruct our soldiers to stay away from all reptiles because of them being highly venomous. You have to understand, 99.9% of the soldiers could not identify a snake in the states much less over there. I understand now and did then that it was a scare tactic to keep soldiers from handling the local reptiles. It does not supprise me that someone would claim to have been bitten by a "sand viper". If it were true, it would be in his medical record.
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by emtnurse on February 19, 2007
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I know that.. He said he was bit by a sand viper.. I dont know much about these snakes.. He said he was vomiting within the first 5 minutes and his facial muscles were twitching.. Okay at this point I believe the guy, sounds legit.. I asked him if he received antivenom and he said no.. I asked him why not? He stated and this is no joke, " I didnt get antivenom because that damn medic removed my turniquet. After that I punched him in the face." So, after that quote I figured he was full of sh*t.. I dont know too much about the snakes from the Middle East, so i was just curious about there venom and toxicity, and the species that inhabit that area. Thanks for taking the time to educate me Karl.. Bryan
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by Cro on February 19, 2007
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Bryan, there is an excellent old book you might want to try to find. It is called "Poisonous Snakes of the World." It was "A Manual for use by U.S. Amphibious Forces." `twas first published by the Dept. of the Navy Bureau of Medicine and Surgery in 1962. There are updates as new as 1991 out there for $5.95 on Amazon.
The good news is it is often available for only a few dollars on EBay or Amazon. Lots of used copys are floating around out there. Some folks are asking like $20.00 for a copy, and I have seen them as high as $70.00 years ago, but you can find it way cheaper.
More good news is that it list almost all of the Worlds Venomous Snakes, and lists them by Country and Region.
Some dumb-asses have rated the book poorly on Amazon, because it is outdated. But they are not smart enough to realize what a great reference the book is, and what great scientific / herp minds contributed to its creation. Sure, some of the Scientific names have changed, and you might have to google them and do some research on what the new names are.
It is a great old reference book that should be in every herpers library. Because it can still be found for a few dollars, it is worth looking for.
The people who contributed to the book include Herndon Dowling, Sherman Minton, Findlay Russell, Charles Bogert, Roger Conant, Carl Gans, Joseph Gennaro, Itzchak Gilboa, Laurence Klauber, Robert Kuntz, Alan Leviton, Janis Roze, John Werler, Eric Worrell, and many others who where the top researchers and scientists of the herp world in the 1960`s.
I use my copy every week to help answer questions on the site here, and have given away many copys over the years to interested young herpers.
Try to find yourself a copy. I am willing to bet you will find a lot of great information in that book, and it will surely help you know what snakes are found in different countrys and regions of the world.
Best Regards JohnZ
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by emtnurse on February 19, 2007
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Gotcha Jon, thanks for the time and info.. Going to Amazon right now to find it.. Thanks alot...Bryan
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by scalesandshells on February 19, 2007
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You can go online and do a search for U.S. Army Field Manual (FM) 3-05.70 Army Survival Guide...Appendix has pictures and home ranges. It also has a lot of other information on venomous. Another FM is 21-76. These are all downloadable and you can purchase the books themselves. Hope this helps you out.
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by CAISSACA on February 20, 2007
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The www.toxinology.com website list does not make much sense - Echis (carinatus) sochureki and Vipera albicornuta definitely do not occur there, and I don't think Pseodocerastes does either.
A "sand viper" from that area would almost certainly be Cerastes gasperettii.
Agree on the good book "Poisonous Snakes of the World" - it is of course dated, but in its day and much longer, it was a truly pioneering work. I got a reprinted version in 1980, and it was the first serious introduction to the full diversity of venomous snakes I got my paws on - it remained my bible for many years.
Cheers,
WW
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by Sal on February 20, 2007
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I have a Defense Intelligence Agency publication (pamphlet/poster) from January 2003 called "Venomous Snakes and Scorpions of Iraq, and their antivenin sources" Here are the snakes listed:
Blunt-nosed Viper - Vipera lebetina
Kurdistan Viper - Vipera raddei
Desert-horned Viper - Cerastes cerastes
Saw-scaled Viper - Echis carinatus
Persian Sand Viper - Pseudocerastes persicus persicus
Fieldis Sand Viper - Pseudocerastes persicus fieldi
Desert Black snake - Walterinnesia aegyptia
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by sawscalemedic on June 14, 2007
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Hey Bryan, I also am over here in the dustbowl doin the medic thing. I agree with you that there was entirely too much bravado involved in that story for there to be any truth to it. We caught a small sand boa yesterday and several folks thought it was a sand viper. I had to show them the difference for them to believe that the poor thing was harmless and actually beneficial. But, all I hear from most people is, "A good snake is a dead snake." It's amazing, we can cure cancer but ignorance is terminal. Take care and watch your 6.
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